Date: Sat 09 Nov 2002 - 08:15:01 GMT
> At 10:31 PM 8/11/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> Snip.........
> >> >>When I say the means we use shape the ends we
> >> >> get, that's what I mean. The means we used to fight Russia in
> >> >> Afghanistan led to the Taliban taking control. It led to the
> >> >> creation of Al Quaeda (the list of reliable agents who were
> >> >> trained and proved their worth in Afghanistan) We are taking
> >> >> the expedient route to solve a problem that is much deeper and
> >> >> will last much longer than the means we are using will solve.
> >> Hi peace lovers
> >> There is a great kid's song that carries a memetic warning of this
> >> action - over-reaction tendency in some human cultures; it is
> >> called 'There Was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a Fly'. Do you know it?
> >> On the surface it is a silly song, but the meme is solid and
> >> stable. Each time she takes a more drastic remedy until she dies -
> >> not of the complaint but the cures. (last chorus of long song) She
> >> swallowed a horse to catch the cow She swallowed the cow to chase
> >> the dog (what a hog, she swallowed a dog) She swallowed the dog to
> >> catch the cat (imagine that, she swallowed a cat) She swallowed the
> >> cat to catch the bird - and so on through the spider and the fly
> >> This is a straight out pedagogical ditty - with observable and
> >> quantifiable memes. Who was it who said that if we refuse the
> >> lessons of history, we are destined to repeat them, (or something
> >> like that)? Peace be with you Jeremy
> >And in this case, to not cure the disease will be to suffer greatly
> >from it, and to abandon the Iraqi people to suffer. But it isn't PC
> >liberal to liberate them, or even to notice that they exist except as
> >anstract lives that have to be preserved from the spectre of
> >'collateral damage', not oppressed human serfs quietly yearning for
> >freedom (because to do so out loud earns a bullet - after the
> >torture); it certainly ain't cool to
> >that they are terrorized and enslaved. Their lives do not rest in
> >peace; they are quietly desperate by dual necessity.
> Steady Joe
> I was not being specific here. BTW the jury is still out on much of
> what you present as fact. AND there are worse things happening in
> countries which have no oil but are 'friendly to the West' - what
> about them? AND other countries sponsor terrorism AND have WMDs. All
> that I was commenting on was the repetition of history and the way
> that we won't know if we are being hoodwinked until it's too late.
> There is a lot of biased media around - well all of it really - but if
> you want to get a reasonable picture of what's going on, shop around.
> There are online English news services in most countries. As they are
> all partisan, if you take a reasoned, neutral overview you will be
> close to the 'truth' of events. Stay cool buddy, we live in
> interesting times. Jeremy
The Iraqis are actually terrorized and oppressed as a people - that much is true. In Iraq we have a regime that is a danger both to its own people and to the peoples of surrounding nations - as the 15-0 UN Security Council resolution (including Syria) recently affirmed. Bosnia has no oil, nor does Kosovo, and we rescued them when Europe shirked the job and the UN condemned us - for saving Muslims from another fascist - Milosevic (currently undergoing war crimes prosecution in the hague - Saddam's destination, should he live to make it there). Iraq is chief among the offenders as far as WMD's go, for Saddam Hussein is unique among sitting rulers in having employed WMD's, both against neighboring nations and against ethnic undergroups in his own country. Remember that the US war would not be with the people of Iraq; they are chief among those who need rescuing from Saddam's regime, and like the Afghans under the Taliban, they would be most grateful for such a deliverance, and most will not resist their own liberation (they didn't resist much before, and the US didn't follow through in helping them, instead leaving them to Saddam's tender mercies - a shameful mark upon my country which I, and the Iraqis, would love to see rectified).
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