Re: Standard definition

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Thu 07 Nov 2002 - 16:03:15 GMT

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    >Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 18:37:20 +1100
    >At 05:46 PM 30/10/02 -0500, you wrote:
    > >Think also of music. Plainsong (Gregorian Chant) has been important in
    > >Catholic liturgy for centuries. It was first written down in the 9th
    > >century C.E. (thus beginning Western musical notation, albeit quite
    > >but had been around for awhile before that. Some scholars estimate that
    > >perhaps as many as a third of the chants were taken over from Hebrew
    > >liturgical music. These are old memes.
    > >
    > >Bill B
    >Hi Bill
    >I've been away for a week, sorry to take you back on this.
    >Old memes they certainly are. For a start they are outcome based linear
    >narratives. Then they contain culturally specific base notions of the great
    >dualities, good/evil etc., and over the top of all that lies the great
    >'might-is-right meme'.
    >I think that music may contain codified memes and have been vaguely
    >interested in the memetic content of music since a friend, who was doing a
    >Masters in music at the same time as I was studying narratives in
    >traditional prose, observed that forest conservation protestors, in this
    >country at least, favoured Celtic based music.
    >As is well known, the Celtic Druids held trees to be sacred and my friend
    >speculated that there may have been some underlying code in the music that
    >'called' to the modern forest conservationist. What do you think Bill?
    Interesting. The Japanese also think of trees as "kami" or gods or spirits
    (they don't break it down like we do) and in movies and plays use the flute to invoke the feeling of being in the presence of a spirit.


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