Re: Standard definition

From: Bill Spight (
Date: Thu 07 Nov 2002 - 14:48:33 GMT

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    Dear Jeremy,

    Bill B:
    > >Think also of music. Plainsong (Gregorian Chant) has been important in the
    > >Catholic liturgy for centuries. It was first written down in the 9th
    > >century C.E. (thus beginning Western musical notation, albeit quite crude),
    > >but had been around for awhile before that. Some scholars estimate that
    > >perhaps as many as a third of the chants were taken over from Hebrew
    > >liturgical music. These are old memes.
    > >
    > I've been away for a week, sorry to take you back on this.
    > Old memes they certainly are. For a start they are outcome based linear
    > narratives.

    What is an outcome based narrative? Thanks. :-)

    > Then they contain culturally specific base notions of the great
    > dualities, good/evil etc., and over the top of all that lies the great
    > 'might-is-right meme'.

    Was the Church militant at that point? In any event, I think that for plainsong the relevant meme is "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts" (Isaiah).

    > I think that music may contain codified memes and have been vaguely
    > interested in the memetic content of music since a friend, who was doing a
    > Masters in music at the same time as I was studying narratives in
    > traditional prose, observed that forest conservation protestors, in this
    > country at least, favoured Celtic based music.
    > As is well known, the Celtic Druids held trees to be sacred and my friend
    > speculated that there may have been some underlying code in the music that
    > 'called' to the modern forest conservationist.

    Interesting idea! :-)


    Bill S.

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