From: Grant Callaghan (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed 06 Nov 2002 - 20:39:11 GMT
>On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 10:48 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>>during the Vietnam war our motto was "We're fighting for peace."
>Again, I don't remember that as being a quote of Christ's. Please provide
>these words you seem to think he is reported as saying that others are
>using to foment warfare.
>I'm not talking about just using the cause of xianity (whatever that is or
>has become), I'm talking about the reported words themselves, which you say
>are being used.
>I just don't know of any, but, I have never read the new testament
I don't remember saying it was a quote of Christ's. What I said was that the people running the war were indoctrinated in the teachings of Christ, just as I was. How you keep twisting that to mean they used the words of Christ to prosecute the war, I don't know.
What I said was that the memes of conquest were flourishing in the minds of
people who have been indoctrinated in the memes of Christ. The minds
contain both sets of memes. The actions of the people who run the country
demonstrate which set was dominant. Even in my own mind, after years of
indoctrination by the Catholic Church, I was ready and willing to go out and
kill people if my country asked me to. It was the years of indoctrination
that contained the memes of Christ. It was not the words of my commanders,
although they had been exposed to the memes of Christ, just as I had been.
Although they often said things like "There are no athiests in foxholes,"
and "We are God fearing men."
Chaplains were part of the makeup of every military unit. They often told
us the words of Christ. They read from the bible and preached sermons based
on it. I can't believe you're not aware of all this. It's more like you
just want to twist what I say to mean something else. I remember one
chaplain telling me, "I only believe in two books -- the bible and the
manual for Courts Martial." But again, my point is that the military men
were all familiar with the words of Christ. Their actions were just the
actions of killers, conquerors and opressors. They were in the business of
empire building. Their actions were anti-Christian.
But at no time did I say that Christ preached war. I merely said that men
who professed to be followers of Christ preached war and went to war.
Christ preached the oposite of what they were doing. Ever since Constantin
this has been the way of Kings, emperors and the church. They preach peace
even as they go to war. Our own government and military did it with "We're
fighting for peace." Those are not the words of Christ. Those are the
words of hipocrites.
I hope I've made my point clear now. Not that I don't suspect you
understood them the first time, but I doubt I can make it any plainer than
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