From: Grant Callaghan (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed 06 Nov 2002 - 15:48:32 GMT
>>Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:06:14 -0500
>>On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 12:12 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>>>the armies raised by these religious empires still use the words of
>>>Christ and Mohamed
>>Now, I'm not a biblical or koranic scholar, so, I'm just asking- what
>>words of the new testament are they using? I can bring up about a thousand
>>words from Deuterotomy that would skin you alive, but, I'm absent of
>>anything reported to be said by Christ that could be used to foment war.
>>Just the opposite.
>That was my point. You can find bibles and quotes from Jesus everywhere.
>Most of the people who fight the wars for European countries claim to be
>Christians and have been indoctrinated in the words of Christ, yet the
>memes they use in dealing with other countries are the memes of empire. I
>grew up going to mass every morning and being taught the catechism by nuns
>every day and joind the Marines at the age of 17. The Muslims bow to Mecca
>five times a day and run little kids through these schools where all they
>do all day is read the Koran. Yet they grow up ready to conquer in the
>name of Allah.
>The memes that were supposed to change that are there, burried in their
>minds, and yet the memes of empire rule. The people who run countries find
>war to be the final solution when it comes to my memes versus your memes.
>The people who follow these leaders usually go along with it. As Bush likes
>to tell us, we've got to spend 300 billion dollars a year to keep a big
>enough army that our enemies won't be able to destroy "our way of life."
>And they are using terrorism to stop us from destroying theirs. What is
>our way of life but the set of memes we built our culture around?
P.S. As a note of irony, during the Vietnam war our motto was "We're fighting for peace." There seems to be no end to the twited logic people will accept in defence of their beliefs and desires. I still don't know why I came out of a religious institute after years of training in Christian values ready to kill for my country.
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