Date: Tue 05 Nov 2002 - 05:42:59 GMT
> >Subject: RE: The terrorism meme
> >Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 22:51:36 -0500
> >I can't disagree with you, Grant. The question, then is, What
> >tactics/strategies should each group now try? Scott has suggested
> >for the Palestinians non-violence. (Personally, I think this has much
> >to recommend it; might a reciprocal Israeli new tactic be? I do note
> >that the Druse tried non-violent resistance to Israeli occupation,
> >and did have some modest success, though ultimately it failed.)
> >Would the new tactics of one group have to be met with new tactics by
> >the other? Is there a way of starting both groups on the first steps
> >toward new (and less destructive) tactics?
> >What are your own thoughts?
> I think the people who want violence are one group and they hold most
> of the weapons and the people who want peace are a separate group and
> they are the ones who would use non-violence. The non-violent group
> might win in a police state where there were only two sides, but where
> there are three sides or four sides, I don't think the method would
> work. While one group of palestinians was being non-violent, Hamas
> would be committing atrocities.
> While one group of Israelies was being non-violent, Arial Sharon
> would be
> sending tanks into Gaza. All you would get would be conflicting
> messages that included both violence and non-violence from both sides.
> Someone has to spread the message that the only solution is one in
> which both sides win. They have to see that by cooperating with each
> other they can build a garden of Eden. By fighting, all they will end
> up doing is destroying each other. War is a zero-sum game. Only it
> uses up so many people and resources the winner ends up winning in
> name only. How you get to people to realize that non-zero is the only
> game that makes sense, I don't know. Right now the people in power
> only know how to play the zero-sum game. They are all ex-generals and
> guerillas. They think they can win the game they are playing and they
> are willing to expend as many lives as it takes to achieve that goal.
> When they run out of people willing to sacrifice themselves and others
> to "win" the war, the war will stop. I don't really see any short cut
> to accomplish that. Maybe a second coming of Christ would do the job.
> His was the only philosophy that holds out any hope. But even if he
> came back, Sharon would find a way to become Pope and Arafat would
> become a second Mohamad and the wars to control the Holy Land would
> start all over again.
> You've got to remember, this war has been going on for about 2,000
> years. First it was the Romans, then it was the Muslims, and then the
> crusades sent the Christians. These same groups are still at it.
> Christians are just Romans in clerical garb. The same groups are
> still fighting over the same spit of land and they all still think
> they can control it with violence. In 2.000 years, they've learned
> nothing. I don't see them changing their spots anytime soon.
That is indeed the challenge; how to infiltrate inclusivist memes past exclusivist filters.
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