Date: Mon 04 Nov 2002 - 03:08:31 GMT
> > >
> >I consider memes to be meaningful; otherwise, there would be no basis
> >upon which we could choose between them. And choose we do.
> > >
> Birdsongs do carry meaning, but I'm not sure they do for any species
> other than the species that is singing them. When a bird sings he is
> saying, "This is my territory and if you're not a female of my
> species, stay out." There may be other messages in birsongs, but from
> what I've read this is the primary message. Birds with a larger
> vocabulary may be able to say things like, "Watch out for the hawks.
> I see one." But in addition, birds and other animals are able to
> communicate ideas with behavior. When one bird takes off, they all
> take off. The first to go was able to communicate something with that
> behavior that the rest were able to pick up on.
> Of course, I'm not saying they have culture and can understand complex
> ideas expressed by memes. But they can communicate simple ideas that
> change the behavior of other members of their species. Isn't that the
> essence of understanding?
These cues are innate and generally the same or extremely similar for conspecifics within a species, whereas human communication is arbitrary and by mutual convention, and unlike genetically hardwired behavior, must be created, learned and taught.
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