Re: electric meme bombs

From: Van oost Kenneth (
Date: Sun 03 Nov 2002 - 15:32:48 GMT

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    Again Grant, think of the imaginary line I brought up, of course single- cells communicate, but that is not to say that this can 't be a second stage in their development into something more complex.

    Single- cell floating around in an environment, next step, two single- cells bumb into eachother, they got instinctive reactions to it, next step, they try to communicate, trial and error, next step, they speak to eachother a step in evolution has been made.....


    > >
    > >----- Original Message -----
    > >From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    > >Kenneth,
    > > > >What we all forget is that everything and all start as one
    > >as
    > > > >one cell ! We all see cells working together, they are all inbedded
    > > > >what collective is known as a human being, the one single cell is
    > > > >gotten ! The interest in one single cell can 't outweight the huge
    > >accom-
    > > > >plishments of finding out how other cells work together.
    > > > >That is my pain !
    > >Grant,
    > > > They work together because they can communicate, just as we do, but in
    > >their
    > > > own chemical language.
    > >
    > >They started to communicate in order to work together, but that wasn 't
    > >initial ' goal ' of evolution so to speak, communication was just one
    > >up
    > >on the ladder. The bias was quiet, silent with no words to speak, no
    > >communi-
    > >cation just spasphem of uncontrolled behavior inducted by stimili and
    > >response
    > >of instinctive processes on the moving of the water where the organism in
    > >that time
    > >lived in.
    > >
    > >Only when two of the same kind finally met there was something new...
    > >
    > >Kenneth
    > >
    > >
    > I can't speak for the goals of evolution, but even single-celled organisms
    > communicate and some even cooperate. Symbiosis was around before
    > multi-celled animals. Mitocondria established themselves inside larger
    > single cells before the larger cells banded together to become multicelled
    > organisms.
    > >From Creative Nets in the Precambrian Age
    > By Howard Bloom
    > Eshel Ben Jacob, at the University of Tel Aviv, and James Shapiro at the
    > University of Chicago have been studying bacterial colonies from a
    > original perspective - and have emerged with surprising results. Their
    > findings explain why the ripple effect is a mark of bacterial networking -
    > and of much, much more.
    > stromatolite
    > For generations bacteria have been thought of as lone cells, each making
    > own way in the world. Ben Jacob and Shapiro, on the other hand, have
    > demonstrated that few, if any, bacteria are hermits. They are extremely
    > social beasts. And undeveloped as their cellular structure might be, their
    > social structure is a wonder. The ripple effect is one manifestation of a
    > colony's coordinated tactics for mastering its environment. We could call
    > the probe and feast approach.
    > A bacterial spore lands on an area rich in food. Using the nutrients into
    > which it has fallen, it reproduces at a dizzying rate. But eventually the
    > initial food patch which gave it its start runs out. Stricken by famine,
    > individual bacteria, which by now may number in the millions, do not, like
    > the citizens of Athens during the plague of 430 b.c., die off where they
    > lie. Instead these prokaryotes embark on a joint effort aimed at keeping
    > colony alive.
    > The initial progeny of the first spore were sedentary. Being rooted to one
    > spot made sense when that microbit of territory was overflowing with
    > edibles. Now the immobile form these first bacteria assumed is no longer a
    > wise idea. Numerous cells switch gears. Rather than reproducing couch
    > potatoes like themselves, they marshall their remaining resources to
    > daughters of an entirely different kind - rambunctious rovers built for
    > movement. Unlike their parents, members of the new generation sport an
    > of external whips with which they can snake their way across a hard
    > or twirl through water. This cohort departs en masse to seek its fortune,
    > expanding ring-like from the base established by its ancestors. The
    > of the fortunate lead to yet more food.
    > Successful foragers undergo another mass shift. They give birth to
    > as determined to stick to one spot as their grandparents had once been.
    > These stay-at-homes sup on the banquet provided by their new surroundings.
    > Eventually their perch, too, is sucked dry. They then follow bacterial
    > tradition, generating a new swarm of outbound pioneers. Each succession of
    > emigrants leaves behind a circle thinned by its spreading search. And each
    > generation of settlers accumulates in a thick band as it sucks nourishment
    > from its locale. The ripples of ancient stromatolites are proof positive
    > that life three and a half billion years ago already took advantage of
    > social cooperation.
    > The work of Ben Jacob and Shapiro has demonstrated that bacterial
    > communities are elaborately interwoven by communication links. Their
    > signalling devices are many: chemical outpourings with which one group
    > transmits its findings to all in its vicinity; fragments of genetic
    > material, each of which spreads a different story from one end of the
    > population to another. And a variety of other devices for long-distance
    > transmission.
    > These turn a colony into a collective processor for sensing danger, for
    > feeling out the environment, and for undergoing - if necessary - radical
    > adaptations to survive and prosper, no matter how tough the challenge. The
    > resulting modular learning machine is so ingenious that Eshel Ben Jacob
    > called it a "creative net."
    > Grant
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