Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 22:39:57 GMT
> On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 03:39 , email@example.com wrote:
> > Pemes would necessarily have to be tokens of meme types.
> Again, you cross models to say that. Pemes are the _only_ units of
> cultural transmission in the pemetic model and the pemetic model has
> no need for memesinthemind. The 'type/token' relationship you are so
> fond of is only an interpretation of the similarity of performances,
> not any actuality of them.
Nope; you cannot transmit what you do not posses, but if you possess the type, you can transmit multiple tokens of it, which may differ in specifics, yet nevertheless be meme-bers of the general set.
> In the memesinthemind model, yes, the performance has to be a token of
> the meme type. But the memesinthemind model does not use pemes- the
> cultural unit is the memeinthemind, not the performance. The
> performance is only an instantiation of the meme in the memesinthemind
But your memeinthebody model ignores the mind, precisely because it cannot observe it; this is precisely what watsonian and skinnerian behaviorism did. They were proven wrong by the cognitive revolution decades ago, and if the whole is mistaken, so must be your part.
> Such instantiation still, to be accepted by anyone, needs _some_ proof
> there is a memeinthemind (different from ideas, considerations, mental
> rehearsals, etc.) to begin with.
But ideas, considerations, mental rehearsals, etc., are themselves meme-types. You cannot admit them while simultaneously denying the existence of mental memes without miring yourself in blatant and irretrieveable contradiction.
> Not just a conjecture, silly as it is.
fMRI and PET scan experimental evidence is corroboration enough to sustain the theory. After all, science does not deal in absolutes; only religion attempt that impossible feat.
> - Wade
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