Re: I know one when I see one

From: Wade Smith (
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 20:33:53 GMT

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    On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 11:43 , Grant Callaghan wrote:

    > When I pass a meme to the meme pool, I usually visualize the idea and
    > then try to find the right words to create a similar picture in the
    > minds of the people I'm sending it to.

    Try, yes. Attempt, yes. Finding the right words, placing the right feet in the right place, the fingers in the correct alignment, all attempts.

    There is no direct connection between the action and the mind. Joe can giveThere is a plethora of sensations and activities between the cup and the lip, regardless of how badly you want to drink.

    'Passing the meme', to the pemetic model, and to me, personally, is a meaningless statement.

    Attempting to perform it, yes.

    If you do it well, I can attempt to perform it again, using my own skill set. If our skill sets are matched, it could well be undistinguishable from your performance, with the one difference being that someone else did it.

    With pemetic (yeah, I bellied over and flipped that letter) performances of simple actions with unsophisticated skill sets, the chances of indistinguishability are very large. Speech is such a thing in performance, or folk dances, or childhood songs, (although, as we know, memory has problems with sounds...), and they can easily be archived as printed artifacts called words, so that anyone with the skill set of reading can perform them in separation from the actual memory of them. This is a simple explanation of how cultures continue through artifacts, although there are many other continuation forces at work and a compounding of them over time.

    But, this model really does insist that each performance is unique, and that there is no meme (although there is memory, even, yes, Joe's meme-ory, aka the self) in the mind. Certainly nothing getting 'passed'. And, while I do object to the scatological connotations to that word, I have other, more dire, objections to the concept of the memeinthemind model.

    - Wade

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