From: Van oost Kenneth (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 16:32:14 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wade T.Smith" <email@example.com>
> On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 06:31 , Van oost Kenneth wrote:
> > This is becoming a question of ideology IMO !
> > Wade is in a sense emphazin' individuality and Joe lingers onto a more
> > collective state of things.
> > In Wade's proposal a Bildung- ideal is set/ implied, Joe uses the gene-
> > ralisation to drive cultural transmission.
> > Wade's proposal is something that implies humanism/ romantism, Joe's
> > claim is dependent of something higher, more divine, collectiviness is
> > seen here as a ' natural autority ' !
> I don't honestly think you have Joe's position perspectived quite
> correctly- I'm willing to argue with him precisely because I think his
> position is very well based in selfness, or individuality, if you will,
> but, I'm very happy to see you say the bemetic model is one housed in
> humanism, because, I think it is, too. But I'm sure he will chime in.
> Joe's 'meme-ory' is practically the self, for all referential purposes
> that I can see.
Let me reconsider,
Wade's scheme implies that all and everything are/ is absolutely different
from and nonrelational to all other, something that is not possible, but it
is something what deserves attention.
Joe claims that at the bias a similarity ( a type) must be in place.
What results are tokens, or what Wade argues to be repesentations
Ok, but where I see a Self- Bildung scheme in the former ( Wade),
I see a common base in Joe's latter.
Wade's scheme implies only and for all time 1 step, Joe's process
is already than the second stage of a natural process of which we
than do know nothing.
The notion of collectiviness is given by the bias of similarity, where
in your scheme Wade, a base like this is missing.
Your scheme assumes that the self- referential process is absolute,
everytime it has to be built from the ground up, in Joe's the self-
references of the Self are biased.
That is what I see,
that ain 't something I deny, but it is something I am willing to fight,
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