Re: I know one when I see one

From: Wade T.Smith (
Date: Fri 01 Nov 2002 - 08:47:43 GMT

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    On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 04:49 , wrote:

    > That is why I get itchy using the term 'beme' to refer to behavior.

    Beme is used for those specific cultural behaviors that requires both performer and observer. Nothing to get itchy about.

    > To add one meme-type is not in the same Occamic violation class as is
    > indefinitely multiplying behavioral instantiations.

    Interesting take on the bemetic model. Completely facetious, of course. It is simply a fact of time and space that all things are not something else, and that all events, in time and space, are unique. That each and every behavior is something new, as each and every moment is something new, is elementary.

    It is not multiplying instantiations to simply count them.

    > Since memes reside in the mind, the systems entailed by such a model
    > are the proper criteria be which to judge.

    You have no proof that memes are in the mind, and you are criticizing
    _using_ the memeinthemind model, about a model that _does not_ include memes in the mind.

    I do not conjecture about bemes in behavior- we know certain behaviors are both performed and observed and culturally relevant. We know nothing about any memeinthemind other than that such conjectures are part of a hypothesis of motivational ideation.

    But, using a mutually exclusionary model to condemn another is irresponsible.

    Show me your meme, and responsibility is established.

    I can show you a beme. You've seen millions in your life. You're doing one answering this, if you choose to do so.

    And every one was different.

    No-one has ever seen a meme, or a meme-ory, and, indeed, there is no way, at the moment, to elucidate such unique mental patternings as the memeinthemind model demands with the present state of observational tools.

    To use one conjectural model to criticize another is senseless.

    It would be like a sculptor criticizing a painting because the back of the canvas was empty.

    - Wade

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