Date: Thu 31 Oct 2002 - 21:49:43 GMT
> On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 03:45 , firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> > The means is through behavior
> Perhaps that is as far as I prefer to go.
> > There is nothing in the bemetic model which denies memory or learned
> > and retained skills. Nothing.
> > There is if it is categorized, as you have, as the *behavior-ONLY*
> > model.
> Ah. Phrase error- misinterpretation alert. Okay. By 'behavior-only'
> model, I mean to say that cultural change is only possible when
> behaviors happen, and, if the meme is a unit of cultural change, it is
> thus more handy to locate the meme there, in that performance, and in
> that performance only. It uncomplicates the motivational traps and
> required cognitive wonderings of the memeinthemind model.
Cultures change only when minds do.
> > And that is where the occamic violation of multiplying entities
> > beyond not only necessity, but workability, happens, by
> > polyfurcating multiple similar behavioral token-instantiations of
> > the self-same meme-type into nonrelational sui generis entities.
> I take it as some sort of wonder that I actually understand this
> sentence. The only problem I have with the memeinthebrain model is
> that I don't see the need for a meme to be there. The brain has enough
> to do without being bothered with a meme.
Actually, being bothered with memes is part of its memory function.
> But, you are judging, and denying, the beme model by using the systems
> of the memeinthemind model, and they are apples and oranges.
Since memes reside in the mind, the systems entailed by such a model are the proper criteria be which to judge.
> I am trying not to use the bemetic model in my denial of the
> memeinthemind model, but to show that the occamic violation of it is
> more severe, seen from the outside vantage of understanding and
> analyzation. Of course, I could totally be wrong, in my funny walk.
> But it feels right, and I get all itchy when I try to walk the
> memeinthemind model.
To add one meme-type is not in the same Occamic violation class as is indefinitely multiplying behavioral instantiations.
> > But those plans are the meme
> So you say, from the perspective of the memeinthemind. I just say
> those plans are the plans. I get itchy when I have to use two terms
> for the same thing.
That is why I get itchy using the term 'beme' to refer to behavior.
> - Wade
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