Date: Thu 31 Oct 2002 - 17:53:16 GMT
> On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 03:09 , email@example.com wrote:
> > But if it leaves the head and is manifested in action, it was in the
> > head to begin with. You deny its source, and rather mislabel its
> > destination as source.
> My motion through space is not in my head. I don't deny the source-
> but you disregard the destination.
No, I say clearly that memes are communicated between people through action (speech itself being an action); however, I also say that they are stored, selected and modified internally. You want an either-or
(behavior-only) while I am insisting on a both-and.
> > It only takes one dancing choreographer to falsify your point.
> There are many dancing choreographers. My point was only that they
> don't _need_ to be. I was not making any point of exclusivity, but of
> inclusiveness. Again you failed to see this.
No, I point out that your behavior-only stance does not allow you the luxury of such in-clusivity.
> > To do it, we have to know it.
> We have to know _something_ prior to performance, but do we know the
> _actual_ performance until we _actually_ _do_ it? No, we do not, and I
> defy you to prove that we do. Double dog dare you. This would be the
> same thing as complete prediction of all possible futures, and, sorry,
> but we can't and don't do that.
But do we know NOTHING of what we are going to do before we do it? This is what the behavior-*only* stance requires.
> If what you say were true, a 'spoonerism' would not be a fact in any
If what you say is true, language - as a system that is learned and competence in which is internally retained beween performances - would be an impossibility.
> - Wade
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