Date: Thu 31 Oct 2002 - 03:57:55 GMT
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 05:28 , firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Now,
> > the capacity for language in general may be hard-wired in humans,
> > but the capacity for English, Chinese, Tagalog or Urdu is not,
> > because these are created, not inherited, specificities.
> Like the spider's web is different when stretched from tree branches
> to rocks, or from fence posts to grasses, the capacity for English, or
> Chinese, are specifics of the environment and humans' responses to it.
Uh-uh. In the first case, we have physical differences; in the second, we have cultural, that is, cognitive ones - exactly the kind of thing your behavior-only attempt at memetics cannot admit without self- destructing.
> > I'll bet you thought of that answer before you typed it, and that
> > fact in and of itself negates your stance.
> Interestingly enough, I do not completely think of things before I
> write them (and I suspect no-one does), but, am constantly
> re-arranging and conditioning my words as I type, making efforts to
> perform at each finger movement. Writing is a performance like any
> other, and things happen that I have no control over, or that demand
> effort and change in each instant. No, my stance is not negated by any
> experiential examination of performance or cognition that I have ever
> encountered, rather it is amplified by my own experience of myself and
> by my investigations of nature and what knowledge I have of the
> investigations of others. I would not be championing it with such
> gusto if I, myself, were not heuristically involved with it.
But to obviate my point, you would have to be thinking of nothing, both before and during your automatic-writing performance.
> > Specific cultures are not hard-wired human nature
> The ability for culture _is_ hard-wired human nature, and _specific_
> cultures are products of environment. Just like spider webs, and
> language, and music, and, yes, childhood songs.
It doesn't matter what branches you surround a trap-door spider with; he will not weave a web. Likewise, a society of feral children wil create a novel (not hard-wired) language, regardless of their environment.
> > And BTW,
> > even hard-wired behaviors are hard-wired in those brains you
> > insist upon avoiding;
> Again, and again, and again, I _am not_ ignoring _anything_ in or
> about the brain.
And what about the storage of meme-ory?
> - Wade
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