From: Philip Jonkers (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue 22 Oct 2002 - 06:27:55 GMT
> As I am a completely new kid on this block allow me to introduce myself
> briefly at first.
> My name is Darek Glazewski. I am a sociologist from Poland and am
> working on my doctoral dissertation. A few years ago I came across the
> 'meme' and I instantly got interested. Of course, the first book I had
> about memetics in was Dawkins' Selfish Gene.
> My master's diploma paper focused on the role language plays in social
> But I also added an additional chapter introducing a new approach to
> studying culture which, of course, was memetics. Since then I have
> a few articles in our university's annual anthology and one of the
> was devoted to memetics. Frankly speaking, it is extremely difficult to
> a professor who can/wants to review papers in this field in Poland. But
> is not my point here. So let me get to the point.
> First of all, I am going to write my dissertation in memetics. I am trying
> to find someone or someone's work which aimed at carrying out a linguistic
> or should I say sociolinguistic research (e.g. of slang, idiomatic
> expressions, slogans etc) from the perspective of the memetic theory.
> Therefore, I would be really obliged if you could help get in touch with a
> person who has already tried to do it.
> Then, I am also interested in getting in touch with somebody who has tried
> to analyze memes as forms of energy. Information can be (according to 2nd
> law of thermodynamics) expressed as energy. Should memes be considered
> of transferring information and/or conveying messages, I claim they should
> be presentable as forms of energy. Energy which is capable of influencing
> largely human mind and counsciousness and, in a way, as many forms of
> energy, it should be capable of shaping/reorganising matter.
> I strongly believe that analysing memes as portions of energy and finding
> way of combining memetics with Shannon's information theory as well as 2nd
> law of thermodynamics (growing entropy) would take memetics into a more
> scientific than philosophical direction.
> I will be glad if anyone could help me. I am sorry if my message doesn't
> comply with some internal netiquette of this discussion group. I should
> blame it on my being an absolute novice here. I will reaaly appreciate any
> feedback and guidance. I am strongly convinced that memtics has a real
> potential as a descriptive and explanatory tool but I simply think that it
> has to follow a straight path created by contemporary methodology (much as
> am aware that this methodology may simply be of memetic nature or, as Kuhn
> put it, it may be a paradigm waiting for a revolution :-)) )
> Best regards,
> Darek Glazewski
It sounds to me that you want to revamp memetics into a more physical
Perhaps we should consider baptizing it meme-physics.
I agree with you that memes are all about information but I fear it would
be a formidable task to recast the whole theory in terms of energy,
information and entropy. Perhaps you may want to have a look what the
fellers at genetics have done already, after all one of memetics' floaters
analogy with genetics. If you want to describe memetics as a physics you
to describe evolution in terms of physics. People working on evolutionary
(of whatever phenomenon) may be of help to you. Is there a Derek Gatherer in the house?
Anyway welcome aboard the band-wagon called memetics Darek, and oh
no need to be apologetic regarding topics and such. Basically anythings goes
on this list with the exception of name-calling and insulting pink
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