RE: The Experiment

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Date: Fri May 24 2002 - 15:25:03 BST

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            <<But none of the prisoners have tried
    > the Ghandhi approach of peaceful non-compliance.>>
            <They don't need to because they have the upper hand. In Ghandi's
    situation I
    > think he realised that that they did not have the upper hand and that
    > violence would bring violence. The prisoners have the upper hand, violence
    > is out anyway, so what need have they of non compliance when they have a
    > good idea they won't get punished.>
            Fair point, well made.

            <It would seem to me that the failure of the guards to have a leader
    > power structure made them vunerable from the start as they could not act
    > but
    > react after discusion with the others. One of the rules of war is to make
    > the other person react, rather than act. I suspect the scouser is well
    > aware
    > of this and more or less said so at the end of episode 2. Once they are
    > forced to react they are not in control.>
            Yeah, I'd agree here. They should perhaps have worked out a
    hierarchy, with someone as head guard, who would perhaps have little direct
    contact with the prisoners and made the final decisions about punishment.

            <Ghandi's choice was valid for his situation, but it is not for
    > situation. Ghandi had the moral belief we are all the same under the skin
    > and so had moral superiority.>
            I think in situations of conflict and confrontation it is a good
    method, because it's difficult to do anything about aggressively. Sure
    there's a real risk of getting assaulted or worse by just sitting
    there/standing there, but even the nastiest regimes find it difficult to
    keep killing crowds of people who aren't doing anything but standing around
    for very long (increasingly so now the international community can get
    access to what's going on). It worked for the civil rights movement in the
    US, to some extent, and Michael Moore suggests it to Arafat in his latest
    book arguing, reasonably I think, that at some point Israeli aggression
    against peaceful protest and non-compliance won't be tolerated by the
    international community- not even in the US. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but
    the suicide bombers aren't working either.


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