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Well, that's only one difference. The participants in the UK case are all
British, there's an imbalance between the prisoners and the guards, the set
is a cross between a real prison and the Big Brother set, etc. etc.
I'm not sure they want to compare with Zimbardo, only try a similar
experiment, which hasn't been tried because of what happended at Stanford.
I think it's interesting TV, that doesn't mean it's more consequential, but
there you go.
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> Hi Kenneth and Vincent.
> I think the Experiment is good but it is not possible to compare with
> Zimbardo's. The main point is that Zimbardo's expt was conducted on 18 to
> year olds. Some of the ones in the new one were well beyond that and so
> a different world view. Still it is interesting and I shall watch to see
> what happens.
> > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:42:41 +0200
> > From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> > Subject: Re: The Experiment
> > - ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Vincent Campbell <email@example.com>
> >> Using my web-access here, so don't know if this'll get through or
> >> Anyway, following Steve's reminder I've been watching 'The Experiment'
> >> repeat of the zimbardo prison experiment from the 1970s. It has been
> >> fascinating TV, and I feel shows how reality TV can have its moments
> >> prize money, or hoped for fame, isn't a factor).
> >> For those who can't see the show yet, so far almost the reverse has
> > happened
> >> to what happened in Stanford. The 'guards' have totally failed to
> >> control and authority, and the 'prisoners' have been in charge since
> >> day 2, when on prisoner over-looked for "promotion" to being a guard
> > decided
> >> at that moment to play mind games with the guards, with lots of
> > Hi Vincent, all,
> > Yes, I can see the show in Belgium, nice stuff.
> > But the reverse effect is no surprise to me though !
> > It clips perfectly together with what mankind ( Western that is) evolved
> > in to_ individualition, tolerance, the dislike of what power stands for,
> > had their influence. IMO, of great ( memetic) importance !
> > In 30 years, lets say in one generation, people changed...hm, their
> > changed. But nevertheless, the battle between good and bad, as shown
> > on the BBC, changed over time in favour of the good.
> > If that is a ' good ' point, we 'll see !
> > Regards,
> > Kenneth
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