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All our behaviors, IMO, (and decisions and judgements) reflect our attempts
to manifest our values. Choosing a suicide bombing isn't so much a choice
of suicide as it is a matter of manifesting the bomber's values. The fact
that suicide is dramatic draws out attention away from considering what the
deeper values might be. Yet it is only when we understand what these values
might be that we will understand WHY the 'suicide' bombing is done. And, I
think, if we reflect on the nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it
is not too difficult to see what some of the values might be.
The matter of 'going to heaven and finding virgins, of whatever gender, is a
western oerception and preoccupation--not a Muslim one. IIRC, the Bible
suggests that someone martyred for Christendom is rewarded with heaven, but
I doubt many western soldiers leap to arms with that hope in mind.... Is
there a Christian or Christian scholar on the list who can fill in this
> -----Original Message-----
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf
> Of Steve Drew
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:11 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: New Scientist this week
> That was my point Grant.
> Even if the guys did get however many virgins for their pleasure, what do
> the female suicide bombers get? Further, what do the Tamil women get?
> My argument was that Evo Psych can't explain suicicide bombers full stop.
> Further, some of the 9/11 bombers had sex drugs n rock n roll before with
> prostitutes as opposed to 70 odd virgins after?!
> They were male and wanted sex before death. Why they wanted death is the
> > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:43:02 -0700
> > From: "Grant Callaghan" <email@example.com>
> > Subject: Re: New Scientist this week
> >> Subject: Re: New Scientist this week
> >> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:12:59 +0200
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Steve Drew <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> >> I don't buy the altruistic tack in Evo Psych. I can accept the argument
> >> that
> >> males will do very silly and or dangerous things to mate, thatıs no
> >> problem..
> >> Where I have trouble with this argument is that people can
> knowingly plan
> >> their own deaths. You don't produce many kids if your dead.
> Secondly, the
> >> argument only concerns itself with males, despite the
> increasing incidence
> >> of female suicide bombers. Unless of course you stretch the argument to
> >> suggest they are reacting in some way to a threat to their
> future children!
> >> :-) It's hard science when the theory fits the facts.
> >> Hi Patrick, Steve,
> >> Just buzzin ' in,
> >> About those female suicide bombers, this is not a joke, I asure you !
> >> The question has been raised in Islamitic circles what will be
> the reward
> >> for such acts !?
> >> Males will get 70 or was it 72 virgins to play with when they enter
> >> paradise,
> >> but what will the girls get !? More of the same !? Very doubtful !
> >> The anwser, if that is one to consider, is that the females will change
> >> sex,
> >> become thus males, and will get their virgins ! A little price to pay !
> >> The Islamitic world is not that keen to grant 70 chippendales to each
> >> female suicide bomber, tradition still stands....
> >> Honestly, they don 't what to do with female suicide bombers, but even
> >> said that, her family, males and females will get the respect of the
> >> communi-
> >> ty they live in.
> >> The real answer to this question can 't be found in any
> islamitic text, yet
> >> !
> >> We must wait to see with what they come up next.....
> >> Regards,
> >> Kenneth
> > Does anybody really believe they're doing it for sex in the
> afterlife? If
> > so, it must be an indication of how frustrating their lives are before
> > death. I suspect it's more of a Western myth thand a Middle
> Eastern one.
> > The myth is that Muslims live their lives hungering after virgins.
> > Grant
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