Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>

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    >From: <>
    >Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
    >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:53:28 -0400
    >The archaic language is a bit much it is very thoughtful article. The
    >behavioral variation and selection theory ties in with the article that
    >Bruce asked us to look at a few months ago.
    >Hull et al. (2001)'A general account of selection: Biology, immunology,
    >and behavior' Behavioral and Brain Sciences 24:3 pp 511-528
    >On the genetic end of things Baldwin was hampered by not knowing how
    >variation was actually introduced in biological systems. He seems to
    >repudiate 'Neo-Lamarckianism' but I was unclear on whether he was
    >offering a substitute.
    >One article from 1800's a day is about my limit so I'll have to look at
    >the William James piece some other time.
    In the 20th century there was Conrad Hal Waddington who had a concept known
    as "genetic assimilation" which was similar to the "Baldwin effect", but
    IIRC he stressed a distinction or two distancing himself from Baldwin.
    Baldwin wasn't as familiar as Waddington with the direction biology had
    taken in Waddington's time, so I guess it would be intellectual whiggishness
    to bash Baldwin too badly for whatever retrospective shortcomings he may
    have had.
    IIRC Piaget was rather smitten with Baldwin. Would this be placed in the
    "plus" or "minus" column for Baldwin ;-)

    Dawkins makes reference to a "Baldwin/Waddington effect" in _The Extended
    Phenotype_ [obligatory Dawkins reference satisfied].
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:03:29 -0700
    >Subject: Re: pls direct me to a memetics list <eom>
    > > Although it never mentions the words "meme" or "memetics," I found the
    > > following article at the Santa Fe Institute both interesting and
    > > applicable.
    > > Others may disagree. I don't mind in the least. It mentions tools I
    > > think may be applied to the field of memetics although the author does
    > > not
    > > narrow the application that much.
    > >
    > > Grant
    > >
    > >
    > >

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