Re: Fw: future language

From: Grant Callaghan (
Date: Fri May 10 2002 - 00:02:32 BST

  • Next message: Grant Callaghan: "KM - a new meme machine creating a world culture"

    Received: by id AAA06420 (8.6.9/5.3[ref] for from; Fri, 10 May 2002 00:08:14 +0100
    X-Originating-IP: []
    From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    Subject: Re: Fw: future language
    Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:02:32 -0700
    Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
    Message-ID: <>
    X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2002 23:02:33.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A2148C0:01C1F7AD]
    Precedence: bulk

    >Subject: Fw: future language
    >Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:45:00 +0200
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: Scott Chase <>
    > > > Well, to make some crucial qualifiers to what I've said about
    > > > preservation, I'd not lament the loss of cultural practices like
    > > > circumcision, cannabilism, honor crimes or others of that
    > > ilk.
    > > > Here in the U.S. we've managed to eliminate some of our more
    > > > practices and institutions like slavery and added a couple good ones
    > > > women's suffrage and civil rights though patriarchy and racism have a
    > > > to go before going extinct. Good riddance when (or if) they do.
    > > >
    > > > But, I still think there's a lot to be learned and even more reasons
    > > the
    > > > maximization of diversity, as long as said diversity doesn't involve
    > > > violation of basic human rights.
    > > >
    > > > Hi Scott,
    > > >
    > > > I think you are in the wrong here concerning that it is a good point
    > > get
    > > > rid of racism or whatever is being seen as " wrong " out there !
    > > >
    > > > Don 't get me wrong me, though, I recognise that racism is no good at
    > > > all, but you can 't just eliminate it by making up laws ordering
    > > > do so_ that implies, involves the violation of basic human rights !
    > > > If, racism has a genetical or for that reason a memetical bias you
    > > > can 't forbid people to be racistic, it won 't work !
    > > > If you do, you set up people against their inner themselves and that
    > > > in my book perversive to the extreme.
    > > >
    > > > In my country, Belgium, it is by law forbidden to express oneself as
    > > > be anti-semitic, we have a few anti- racistic laws to, even a centrum
    > > > for equality and human rights. All for the best, I know and I presume
    > > > is, but try to understand what went on in our minds in the period of
    > > > Israel- Palestinian clashes. Pro- Palestinian demonstrations were beat
    > > > up, basically due to the anti- racistic anti- semitic laws, where do
    > > > think my basic human freedom to protest was !?
    > > >
    > > > What Israel did played up my emotions and there was no platform, no
    > > > public forum avaible left to express mine and our feelings !
    > > > Do you think that is good or right ! I don 't !
    > > > And concerning this thread, banning racism as a word can 't bann the
    > > > fact of it !
    > > >
    > > > Regards,
    > > >
    > > > Kenneth
    > > >
    I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about the use of the term racism.
      People of different cultures have natural preferences that favor their own
    culture that have nothing to do with race and everything to do with the
    memes they have inherited in the form of language and religion and who is
    good and who is bad. People who don't understand our language and customs
    are thought of as barbarians in almost every culture I have encountrered in
    the world. But from a racial point of view, what are the racially
    distinguishing features of protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland?
    What racial features separate Serbs and Croats? How are the Flemmish
    racially different from the French? And yet you have the same hatreds and
    prejudice between each of these groups as you have between black and white
    or Asian and black. The mainstream Japanese are prejudiced against the
    Ainu, the Hindu is prejudiced against the Muslim, and the Hindus themselves
    are diveded into castes that act toward each other the same way whites act
    toward blacks in South Africa. People will always find ways to look down
    their noses at other groups and divide themselves into people and
    barbarians. It is a fact of human nature and I have no doubt that it is
    genetically built into us because it is so universal among the human race.
    I don't know of a single culture that doesn't have some other culture it can
    look down upon. And usually, race has little or nothing to do with the
    feeling. Culture is by far the most divisive feature of war and separation.
      We often refer to that as racism, but it's not. It's cultural division
    and plain old human nature and not likely to be legislated out of existence.


    Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:

    This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
    Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
    For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Fri May 10 2002 - 00:20:04 BST