Fw: teleology and language

From: Kenneth Van Oost (Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be)
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Kenneth Van Oost <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
    To: <kennethvanoost@myrealbox.com>
    Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:11 PM
    Subject: Re: teleology and language

    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Trupeljak Ozren <ozren_trupeljak@yahoo.com>
    > > This is one where I actually agree with Chomsky. My intepretation o
    > > the meaning of his words is that through time, we have two levels of
    > > change with language - one is strictly genetical, the capability to
    > > have a language of certain complexity. The reason why today we don't
    > > have "inferior" languages as far as gramatical complexity is measured,
    > > is because we are all so damn geneticaly similar. The other level of
    > > language adaptation (change, evolution, however you want to label it),
    > > is culturaly driven - and is rather obvious across the board.
    > Hi there,
    > Cruising thru' this thread I couldn 't stop wondering that something, IMO
    > was missing here.
    > You all talk a lot about language change, and I agree that languages, what
    > their content/ meaning of words , etc is concerned they ' change ',
    > or whatever, indeed you want to call it.
    > But with the bit that language adaptation is culturaly driven I have
    > problems.
    > In a sense, then the not English speaking part of Europe would have
    > * flaws * in its cultural complexity, because we are oh so keen to adapt
    > the English/ American way of saying things.
    > In a way, the European culture, wharever that might be, then has in its
    > complexity ( memetical/ genetical !?) elements which provides us with
    > an easier adaptation of the English/ American language !?
    > From my point of view it is NOT that damn obvious across the board
    > that some, talking here with the words of the Hot Chilli Peppers,
    > CALIFORNIFICATION mess up my life !
    > I don 't see any flaw within my culture that allows it to be washed up
    > by and with the English/ American way of saying the darnest things !
    > IMO, the use of the English language, in whatever way possible, is by
    > conformity and based upon a general agreement.
    > The cultural driven bit implies a conjecture that any not English culture
    > is * inferior * !
    > We have, in a sense to adapt the English language to say things to be
    > across the globe, but we don 't want what is memetical attached to it !
    > And in a sense, English/ American style and whatever is * trying " through
    > the media among others just to do that.
    > That says a lot about our / Euopean mental/ intellectual capacity to with-
    > stand such an invasion, something that I can agree on; it says a lot more
    > about the memetical hooks and elements to which we are drawn, but to
    > conclude that such a proces is based upon a cultural driven aspect is
    > using cultural determination and that is IMO * bad * !
    > Regards,
    > Kenneth

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