RE: future language

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Date: Thu May 02 2002 - 13:28:26 BST

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            <First, just because you don't see much loss in subsistence living
    > that does not mean at all that there actually *isn't* a loss.>
            And just because you say there is a loss, doesn't make it so, what's
    your point? I was expressing an opinion, not offering up a statement as if
    it were fact.

            <Second, ask any anthropologist why do tribal people (having a
    > subsistence life) so rarely abandon it, even under extreme pressure
    > from outside? Seriosuly, ask that - it might enlighten you a bit about
    > our own way of life.>
            I think you'd need to explore psychological factors, and examine the
    nature of the pressures to change as well.

            <Third, in order to preserve those cultures, the only thing that you
    > have to do is to leave them alone. Don't go in there and cut their
    > forest down. Don't go in and force them to become farmers or something
    > else that is "productive". Don't make them work in Nike factores. Just
    > don't meddle in their affairs with your "civilized" and "enlightened"
    > approach at all.>
            Well that's just wishful thinking; ain't gonna happen, ain't ever
    happened. I'm not going to make a value-judgement of that, as I'm actually
    in two minds about this and well aware of my developed world bias in such
    matters (e.g. I think the Taliban should have been blown up long ago, but
    also that Australian aboriginals should be given as much of their country
    back as possible). I don't see the value of subsistence living, but
    sweatshop labour's as bad if not worse (and probably worse).


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