Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id WAA15331 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:02:21 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [126.96.36.199] User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:54:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Media and Violence From: Steve Drew <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <email@example.com> Message-ID: <B8F36CBE.1BFfirstname.lastname@example.org> In-Reply-To: <200204282342.AAA13669@alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2002 20:56:29.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[55AAA2D0:01C1EFC0] Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:13:05 +0200
> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> Subject: Re: Media and Violence
> Hi Steve, you wrote,
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Drew <email@example.com>
>> There is a lot to blame besides the media.
>> According to the New York Times Op-Ed columns one factor is one that all
>> western democracies could face. Given the situation in France of the big
>> parties, the French public chose the 1st round ballot to stick two fingers
>> up at them by voting for smaller 'no hoper' groups and parties.
>> Unfortunately there was more choice on the left so the votes were thinned
>> out, whilst in the right there were only two, so Le Pen benefited. Add in
>> the stay at homes, and wallop neo Nazi is through by a whisker.
>> A second point is the lack of real choice voters face every where. Grey
>> in grey suits with policies to match have all seemed to blur, a bit like
>> end of Orwell's 'Animal Farm' which produces the ever lower turnouts.
> Yes, of course. I believe I mentioned this in my original posting, but my
> point is, if the media did not take up its responsibility and did not write
> about the possibilities the people had to choose from, but instead placed
> the public before accomplished facts is than Le Pen 's surprise showing
> not, partly their fault/ of their making !?
I read an interview with Le Pen in the Guardian this week. He is very
plausible. Some of the side bars were comments from various people,
including a French Jew who would vote for him if he weren't anti Semitic.
> After all, people ' believe ' what is written down in newspapers and be-
> lieve what is said on TV, but how many would ever delve in depht !?
> How many would sincerely care about politics, the benefits yes, but the
> rest !?
How many have the time? Following politics takes time to sift the lies, half
truths and obfustication of the average politician. Then you have the 'spin
doctor' who is worse! Le Pen pushed a few buttons ie immigration, and the
current situation in France did him a favour.
> IMO, the point the public is making is that politics has to change, nomore
> grey suites as you said, but be there for the people, and yes I understand,
> politics has to be within the people in a sense.
> So, can we say, in memetic terms, that politics is not to blame, but we
> are !? I can agree on that, but how do we change it !?
If I knew I would run for office. There are a few changes I want to
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