Re: Media and Violence

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    >From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    >Subject: Re: Media and Violence
    >Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 19:42:01 -0700
    >>To: <>
    >>Subject: Re: Media and Violence
    >>Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:52:31 +0100
    >>Hi Wade
    >> > Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:15:06 -0400
    >> > From: "Wade T.Smith" <>
    >> > Subject: Re: Media and Violence
    >> >
    >> > On 04/23/02 18:48, Steve Drew said this-
    >> >
    >> >> Rome did the same if I recall.
    >> >
    >> > Rome, like other civilizations, was not desensitized to their
    >> > of violence and death, they _wanted_ to see just that. The audience was
    >> > living and enjoying entity in these pageants of blood.
    >>They did but in some sense they were led to it. The gladiatorial contests
    >>were ones of skill, and to the death at private funerals to honour the
    >>memory of the departed. Julius Ceasar hit upon the idea of making them
    >>public affairs, initially as ones of skill, though not necessarily to the
    >>death, as well the chance to execute criminals in public spectacles.
    >>The problem with looking at Rome is when we think of the Romans as blood
    >>thirsty. The reality is somewhat different.
    >>Skill at arms, bravery and a certain elan could gain the loser his life,
    >>die with dignity and have a decent funeral. The main point was how a man
    >>faced up to danger and fear. Don't forget they had an afterlife at stake.
    >>Religion causes people to do funny things :-)
    >>Yes it degenerated in to a bloody shamlbes over time as people sought to
    >>do each other in staging ever more lavish productions. The people had been
    >>desensitised to the extreme violence in the games. They had been told by
    >>their leaders that the games were good, and made attendance virtually
    >>If people are repeatedly told that something is good, and that cruel and
    >>unusual punishments meted out to criminals act as a deterrent to the might
    >>of Rome, then there would be a tendency for people to follow this view
    >>(And the hangers and floggers are still around!)
    >> >
    >> > The bull fight is a pale imitation.
    >>And a disgrace that it still exists.
    >> >
    >> > The appetites of the human species are strong, and should never be
    >> > discounted.
    >>Indeed they should not!
    >> >
    >> > - - Wade
    >Tomorrow I plan to watch American gladiators representing Scotland and
    >Germany fight it out in the Football arena. The gladiators will move from
    >there to the U.S. and participate in the greater spectacle that will end in
    >the Superbowl at the beginning of next year in San Diego. The Roman
    >spectacle is still with us. We've just managed to make it relatively less
    >bloodless. But the spirit is the same.
    It's good to see that we have finally introduced our fine game of football
    to Europe and the British Isles. It's a far more civilized game than
    "soccer" or "rugby". Have they started doing the "wave" yet?

    Unfortunately we may have also introduced baseball. Sorry about that one.

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