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On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 08:46 AM, Dace wrote:
> Hi Wade,
> You're absolutely justified in standing up for the distinction between
> concept and reality. Even if Bill S. is right that the concept of
> gravity will one day be dismissed by physics, this doesn't change the
> fact that our current concept refers to something real. But factuality i
> sn't identical to actuality. A fact is a concept that happens to be true,
> at least in the context of our general conceptual schema, which is
> always subject to revision.
There is a classical error that I have called the Abstraction Fallacy
before - I found a beautiful quote in Boethius (5thC):
"It is clear... that this happened to him [Epicurus], and to
others, because they thought, through inexperience in logical
argument, that everything they comprehended in reasoning
occurred also in things themselves. " [_Second
Commentary of Porphyry's Isagoge_, Bk I, sect 2]
> Looks like the same semantic blind-spot that tripped you up last summer
> on "belief."
> On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 11:08 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
> > What actually happened was fact at every stage of the experiment. The
> > concept just guided the experiment.
> You betcha.
> > What the word "fact" means is the same as with any other word: it
> > depends on what it is being used to mean.
> "Yes, that is what the _word_ for fact does," said the White Knight.
> - - Wade
-- John S Wilkins Head, Communication Services The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research Parkville, Victoria, Australia
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