Re: Thoughts and Perceptions

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    > From: "Richard Brodie" <>
    > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:34:14 -0700
    > Again, I think you are missing important distinctions between words. A fact
    > is KNOWLEDGE of a real phenomenon. Facts are memes. Gravity is a PHENOMENON.
    > Anything we say about it is a meme.

    Yes. We have reality, and our description of reality. Those
    descriptions are subject to the same 'memetic' forces and distortions as
    anything else we do. We don't change reality, but our model of
    reality, and how we describe it to others.

    Interesting thing I see in this discussion is that the word 'fact'
    means slightly different things to Wade, Grant and everyone else.
    To some, it describes the phenomenon itself, to others, it points to
    the phenomenon thus lacking the description and thus lacking the verbage
    for distortion. Funny, I wonder if we could analyize the meme that
    causes each of us to define the word 'fact', and see how we came up
    with the different flavors of this one word.

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