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>From: "Wade T.Smith" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: Thoughts and Perceptions
>Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:47:46 -0400
>On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 09:55 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>> Point to the thing itself.
>That is exactly how I _can_ show you a fact that has no need for a
>concept, as indeed, no fact does.
>Gravity for instance.
>Throw yourself over a bridge.
Garvity is the concept for what happens when one falls towards the ground.
This concept could have a certain amount of error in it, though it's
probably improved quite a bit over the years thanx to fizzy cysts ;-)
There's the Kantian dichotomy between appearance and reality. The
conceptualists would focus on the former and the realists would focus on the
later. All in all, gravity could be both what happens as one falls and the
concept of what happens and hopefully the both converge quite well.
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