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>Subject: Re: Thoughts and Perceptions
>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:18:09 -0400
>On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 10:36 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>>The means you use shape the ends you get.
>Due to the gravity of the situation, that makes no sense to me, qua
>gravity. As a physical fact of the universe, there is no shaping it,
>there is only dealing with it.
>There is no conceptualization possible of a universal fact.
>Regardless of what shape you _want_ it to be, it only comes in one size.
>Unless your concept of this fact (as I've stated a thousand times) is
>erroneous, in which case it has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact,
>and everything to do with the concept.
>So, what's a fact got to do with memetics?
"The means you use shape the ends you get." is just part of my signature. I
usually remember to delete it. Sometimes I forget.
Nature does not create facts. People do. Facts are therefore concepts.
The idea of a fact is a meme and a concept. And that's a fact.
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