RE: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate

From: Scott Chase (ecphoric@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Apr 12 2002 - 03:10:48 BST

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    From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
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    >From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >To: "'memetics@mmu.ac.uk'" <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    >Subject: RE: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:46:03 +0100
    >
    >Nooooooo! You've written his name- that's bound to bring him back!!!!!! Or
    >is he like the Candyman and you hav to say his name three times?
    >
    He's been absent from the list for quite some time, but he's always #1 on
    the memetics archive at:

    http://aldebaran.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk/~majordom/memetics/2000

    He appears to have built a time machine and posted a reply to me on January
    1, 1970 where he's lecturing me on Jung's pleroma and creatura. It's a post
    from the thread "Thinking Like a Chimp" which appears at the top of the
    archive whenever I look there for the list's recent activity instead of my
    e-mail account.
    >
    >
    > > ----------
    > > From: rrecchia@mail.clarityconnect.com
    > > Reply To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 17:58 PM
    > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > > Subject: Re: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    > >
    > > Don't do it Richard! It will be like having a conversation with Chris
    > > Lofting!
    > >
    > > Ray Recchia
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Wade Smith <wade_smith@harvard.edu>
    > > To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk, Skeptic List <skeptic@listproc.hcf.jhu.edu>
    > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:23:00 -0400
    > > Subject: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    > >
    > > > 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    > > >
    > > > Tania Branigan
    > > > Tuesday April 9, 2002
    > > > The Guardian
    > > >
    > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,681133,00.html
    > > >
    > > > The school at the centre of the row over creationism in
    > > > education is inviting one of its chief critics to speak to its
    > > > students about evolution, it has emerged.
    > > >
    > > > Sir Peter Vardy, the multimillionaire entrepreneur who donated
    > > > 2m to found Emmanuel city technology college in Gateshead, and
    > > > who remains director of its board, wants Richard Dawkins to take
    > > > part in a debate.
    > > >
    > > > Emmanuel has been criticised since the Guardian revealed last
    > > > month that lectures given by its staff, suggested evolution was
    > > > a "faith position" and urged teachers to "counter [its] false
    > > > doctrines".
    > > >
    > > > At the time, Professor Dawkins, an authority on evolution,
    > > > wrote: "Any science teacher who denies the world is billions (or
    > > > even millions) of years old is teaching children a preposterous,
    > > > mind-shrinking falsehood. These men disgrace the honourable
    > > > profession of teacher."
    > > >
    > > > But the two men have been corresponding privately since the
    > > > dispute broke out and are now planning to meet. Sir Peter said:
    > > > "We are quite open to talking to anybody. I would like to have a
    > > > debate at Emmanuel college for the students to hear and I'll be
    > > > asking him to take part."
    > > >
    > > > He added: "I am not a creationist and neither is Emmanuel
    > > > college. We have guys who do believe in young earth [theories],
    > > > but we also have atheists and agnostics and folks that believe
    > > > in the old earth _ What we seek to do is present all the views
    > > > of both creation and evolution."
    > > >
    > > > But in a lecture, the school's head of science, Steven Layfield,
    > > > urged Christian teachers to "show the superiority" of
    > > > creationist theories.
    > > >
    > > > He added that they should "note every occasion when an
    > > > evolutionary/old-earth paradigm [millions or billions of years]
    > > > is explicitly mentioned or implied and courteously point out the
    > > > fallibility of the statement". Most scientists agree that life
    > > > on earth is around four billion years old.
    > > >
    > > > "I'm keen to meet Sir Peter and no doubt the idea of a debate
    > > > will be one of many things we discuss when we meet up," Prof
    > > > Dawkins said.
    > > >
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