RE: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate

From: Lawrence DeBivort (debivort@umd5.umd.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 10 2002 - 17:53:44 BST

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    I fell into conversation with a UK professor (Cambridge, I think) in St
    Catherine's Monastery (Sinai) last year; he told me that he could
    scientifially "prove" creationism. I bit and even offered the professor a
    cup of tea. It was the same old clap-trap -- the beauty of nature proved
    that God had created the universe. He was educated, in other ways: knew a
    bunch of archaic middle eastern langauges, was working with some very old
    manusrcipts, doing translations. Maybe Vardy should meet him.

    Lawrence

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk [mailto:fmb-majordomo@mmu.ac.uk]On Behalf
    > Of Wade Smith
    > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:23 PM
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    > Subject: Fwd: 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    >
    >
    > 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
    >
    > Tania Branigan
    > Tuesday April 9, 2002
    > The Guardian
    >
    > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,681133,00.html
    >
    > The school at the centre of the row over creationism in
    > education is inviting one of its chief critics to speak to its
    > students about evolution, it has emerged.
    >
    > Sir Peter Vardy, the multimillionaire entrepreneur who donated
    > 2m to found Emmanuel city technology college in Gateshead, and
    > who remains director of its board, wants Richard Dawkins to take
    > part in a debate.
    >
    > Emmanuel has been criticised since the Guardian revealed last
    > month that lectures given by its staff, suggested evolution was
    > a "faith position" and urged teachers to "counter [its] false
    > doctrines".
    >
    > At the time, Professor Dawkins, an authority on evolution,
    > wrote: "Any science teacher who denies the world is billions (or
    > even millions) of years old is teaching children a preposterous,
    > mind-shrinking falsehood. These men disgrace the honourable
    > profession of teacher."
    >
    > But the two men have been corresponding privately since the
    > dispute broke out and are now planning to meet. Sir Peter said:
    > "We are quite open to talking to anybody. I would like to have a
    > debate at Emmanuel college for the students to hear and I'll be
    > asking him to take part."
    >
    > He added: "I am not a creationist and neither is Emmanuel
    > college. We have guys who do believe in young earth [theories],
    > but we also have atheists and agnostics and folks that believe
    > in the old earth _ What we seek to do is present all the views
    > of both creation and evolution."
    >
    > But in a lecture, the school's head of science, Steven Layfield,
    > urged Christian teachers to "show the superiority" of
    > creationist theories.
    >
    > He added that they should "note every occasion when an
    > evolutionary/old-earth paradigm [millions or billions of years]
    > is explicitly mentioned or implied and courteously point out the
    > fallibility of the statement". Most scientists agree that life
    > on earth is around four billion years old.
    >
    > "I'm keen to meet Sir Peter and no doubt the idea of a debate
    > will be one of many things we discuss when we meet up," Prof
    > Dawkins said.
    >
    >
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