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I fell into conversation with a UK professor (Cambridge, I think) in St
Catherine's Monastery (Sinai) last year; he told me that he could
scientifially "prove" creationism. I bit and even offered the professor a
cup of tea. It was the same old clap-trap -- the beauty of nature proved
that God had created the universe. He was educated, in other ways: knew a
bunch of archaic middle eastern langauges, was working with some very old
manusrcipts, doing translations. Maybe Vardy should meet him.
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> 'Creationist' school has evolution debate
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> The Guardian
> The school at the centre of the row over creationism in
> education is inviting one of its chief critics to speak to its
> students about evolution, it has emerged.
> Sir Peter Vardy, the multimillionaire entrepreneur who donated
> £2m to found Emmanuel city technology college in Gateshead, and
> who remains director of its board, wants Richard Dawkins to take
> part in a debate.
> Emmanuel has been criticised since the Guardian revealed last
> month that lectures given by its staff, suggested evolution was
> a "faith position" and urged teachers to "counter [its] false
> At the time, Professor Dawkins, an authority on evolution,
> wrote: "Any science teacher who denies the world is billions (or
> even millions) of years old is teaching children a preposterous,
> mind-shrinking falsehood. These men disgrace the honourable
> profession of teacher."
> But the two men have been corresponding privately since the
> dispute broke out and are now planning to meet. Sir Peter said:
> "We are quite open to talking to anybody. I would like to have a
> debate at Emmanuel college for the students to hear and I'll be
> asking him to take part."
> He added: "I am not a creationist and neither is Emmanuel
> college. We have guys who do believe in young earth [theories],
> but we also have atheists and agnostics and folks that believe
> in the old earth _ What we seek to do is present all the views
> of both creation and evolution."
> But in a lecture, the school's head of science, Steven Layfield,
> urged Christian teachers to "show the superiority" of
> creationist theories.
> He added that they should "note every occasion when an
> evolutionary/old-earth paradigm [millions or billions of years]
> is explicitly mentioned or implied and courteously point out the
> fallibility of the statement". Most scientists agree that life
> on earth is around four billion years old.
> "I'm keen to meet Sir Peter and no doubt the idea of a debate
> will be one of many things we discuss when we meet up," Prof
> Dawkins said.
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