RE: To be or not to be: memetics a science?

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    >Hello, Grant, to be specific, what social sciences cover the areas
    >by memetics?
    To tell the truth, I still haven't been able to pin down exactly what
    memtics addresses. This list, for example, seems to address everything from
    science to newspaper stories but none of them in a way that seems any way
    different from the general discussion of these subjects. What areas are we
    addressing as suitable to the study of memetics? What do we say about them
    that is not taken from some other science, such as genetics or philosophy?
    We cam't even agree on a definition of the subject and what it encompasses,
    as near as I can see.

    If we're just going to back our arguements with the words of philosophers,
    biologists, cosmologists and neurologists, why not cut out the middle man?
    The arguements are stimulating, but neither Dawkins nor Darwin would refer
    to themselves as memeticists, I don't believe. Who are the memeticists who
    define the interests of memetics? Susan Blackmore leaps to mind, but her
    book seems to be more of a general survey of the literature than a defining
    treatise on the subject.

    Maybe I just don't get it, but so far all I've seen on the subject of
    memetics is tons of speculation and very little of the kind of rigor that
    categorizes and defines what is and is not memetic.'


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