RE: question about memes

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Date: Tue Mar 19 2002 - 21:01:45 GMT

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    Hi Lawrence.

    > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:16:17 -0500
    > From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <>
    > Subject: RE: question about memes
    > Good morning, Steve,
    > I agree with you about the subjectivity that doctor's bring to the process.
    > The high recidivist rate would also suggest that therapy is not reliable. I
    > do think that there are better methods out there available than are being
    > used my the majority of US therapists, so I think the poor success rates are
    > more a reflection of poorly trained therapists than the unchangeability of
    > human beings.
    > What do you mean, 'extracting their people?'

    Got to admit it sounds comic.

    I am sure you can appreciate that if an inmate stands up and says "its OK, i
    am a social scientist conducting an experiment, can i go now?" their
    chances of being believed would not be too high. :-)

    This had been considered, naturally, so this had (and i'm a little hazy
    here) been recorded before hand and sealed in envelopes etc. I think some of
    the higher ups in the asylum had been in on it. None the less, it took the
    lawyers to get them free.

    Lets face it the doctors had been embarrassed if not humiliated, so to
    accept that they were wrong was seriously difficult. I would not be
    surprised if a little revenge wasn't in their minds either.

    If you haven't read it Goffman's 'Asylums" is still a good read.
    > This must have been a pretty interesting experiment to watch!
    > Lawrence



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