RE: question about memes

From: Lawrence DeBivort (
Date: Mon Mar 18 2002 - 13:16:17 GMT

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    Good morning, Steve,

    I agree with you about the subjectivity that doctor's bring to the process.
    The high recidivist rate would also suggest that therapy is not reliable. I
    do think that there are better methods out there available than are being
    used my the majority of US therapists, so I think the poor success rates are
    more a reflection of poorly trained therapists than the unchangeability of
    human beings.

    What do you mean, 'extracting their people?'

    This must have been a pretty interesting experiment to watch!


    > I don't know anything about the above, but i do recall an experiment where
    > people (sociologists) voluntarily committed themselves to institutions in
    > the USA, and whilst they were there proceed to copy the shrinks, ie taking
    > note of their meetings etc. The upshot was that the people running the
    > experiment had difficulty extracting their people afterwards. So
    > the picture
    > is less clear cut than one of whether the person is insane or not, but of
    > whether the doctors think so which may not be the same thing. (i
    > think it ws
    > Irving Goffman's work on Asylum's, or some one trying his ideas out).
    > Regards
    > Steve

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