Re: MD Dawkins on quantum/mysticism convergence

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    It sounds like a clear case of sexual abuse of a good theory (in the sense of being successful
    at least) by parasitic charlatans. It's seems to be a good steal however, though only in the sense
    of also possibly being successful, as quantum theory is generally equally incomprehensible as
    it is successful. In other words, everything QM touches turns into gold but nobody understands why.
    Any well propagandized parasitic paradigm, with a good deal of mysticism too, has a free ticket to
    ride on the same wave of success.

    If the matter weren't that serious I would have wet my pants by now,

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Lawrence DeBivort
      Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 4:00 AM
      Subject: FW: MD Dawkins on quantum/mysticism convergence

      Good morning, everyone,

      From another list...
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        From: []On Behalf Of nargess sabeti
        Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:41 AM
        Subject: Re: MD Dawkins on quantum/mysticism convergence

          Glenn Bradford <> wrote:

          Richard Dawkins, in a Forbes article written three years ago, speaks his
          mind on the notion, popularized by Fritjof Capra and others, that the
          science of quantum mechanics is converging with religious mysticism.

          [A] kind of marriage has been alleged between modern physics and
          Eastern mysticism. The argument goes as follows: Quantum mechanics, that
          brilliantly successful flagship theory of modern science, is deeply mysterious
          and hard to understand. Eastern mystics have always been deeply
          mysterious and hard to understand. Therefore, Eastern mystics must have
          been talking about quantum theory all along.

          Similar mileage is made of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle ("Aren't we all,
          in a very real sense, uncertain?"), fuzzy logic ("Yes, it's okay for you to be fuzzy,
          too"), chaos and complexity theory (the butterfly effect, the Platonic, hidden
          beauty of the Mandelbrot Set--you name it, somebody has mysticized it and!
          turned it into dollars). You can buy any number of books on "quantum
          healing," not to mention quantum psychology, quantum responsibility,
          quantum morality, quantum immortality, and quantum theology. I haven't
          found a book on quantum feminism, quantum financial management, or
          Afro-quantum theory, but give it time.

          The whole dippy business is ably exposed by the physicist Victor Stenger in
          his book, The Unconscious Quantum, from which the following gem is taken.
          In a lecture on "Afrocentric healing," the psychiatrist Patricia Newton said that
          traditional healers "are able to tap that other realm of negative entropy--that
          superquantum velocity and frequency of electromagnetic energy--and bring
          them as conduits down to our level. It's not magic. It's not mumbo jumbo. You
          will see the dawn of the 21st century, the new medical quantum physics really
          distributing these energies and what they are doing."

          Sorry, but mumbo jumbo is ! precisely what it is. Not African mumbo jumbo but
          pseudosc! ientific mumbo jumbo, down to the trademark misuse of the word
          energy. It is also religion, masquerading as science in a cloying love
          feast of bogus convergence.

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