Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id WAA10683 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:18:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [220.127.116.11] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:09:38 +0000 Subject: Fw: More Fun And Games From: Steve Drew <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Message-ID: <B8B6B992.email@example.com> In-Reply-To: <200203141737.RAA10212@alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2002 22:11:53.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F32A2D0:01C1CBA5] Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com
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> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
> Subject: Fw: More Fun And Games
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Steve Drew <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>> This seems to be a sneaky way to put god back into creation.
>>> In the Kansas saga they tried to get evolution describe as a theory that
>>> required equal weight be given to the bible. If i am correct, the people
>>> enacted this were thrown out once the parents found that their kids
>>> geology etc qualifications would be worthless if this BS continued.
>>> This is more subtle and deserve some attention. They do not deny Darwin
>>> geology for now, but have opted for the Intelligence By Design idea.
>>> the universe is too well integrated and complex to have come about,
>>> therefore it must have been designed. Though they say it doesn't have to
>>> god as the designer, to my mind that is the eventual aim.
>> Hi Steve,
>> Yes I agree, we need to watch out for this and those !
>> Just yesterday I saw a TV- program eloborating such a view.
>> The people interviewed, ( it was a catholic network), don 't indeed deny
>> Darwin, how could they, but come up with the application that the uni-
>> verse and everything in it, can 't came about as it does now without a
>> ' design or designer ', what in their meaning can be god or something
>> called god.
>> The arguments they use are based onto the mathemetical order by which
>> the universe is constructed. Their main point is that the universe is so
>> precise in its mathemetical order, that the numbers used just end up to
>> sustain life. They argue that this can 't be just coincidence... god or
>> thing ' created ' out of nothing matter ( via quantum- processes) in such
>> way that it will automatically lead up to us....
>> The IMO, still, silly counter- argument of science is that our universe
>> is one of many, taking away the opposite its points by denying that god
>> or something created our universe and only ours, to support us.
>> Of course, the new counter- counter- attack of the followers of the
>> Design- concept argue now that science has no proove... what is right
>> in any way.
Yes, that is always the problem. The one thing IMO we will never know are
those instances at and just after the big bang. [One thing that might shut
them up is if someone managed to create life in test tube. (might have to
wait a while for that)], and the smarter one's know it and use it against
>> But I agree, we must watch out, but on the other hand, I don 't think
>> that those memes are released without knowing they were, though !
>> People, supporting the Design- concept, like those yesterday, are
>> working close, and are in many cases scientists, with NASA and other
>> space- related programs.
Actually i saw a newspaper article that suggested NASA contains less god
bothers than any other area of science
>> They are sitting right on the blink of new
>> discoveries made, they see new phenomenons emerging right on their
>> screens and in front of their eyes, they talk about this with fellow
>> scientists but they say nothing about god or something. They are just
>> doing their daily job, but at the end of the day they twist and shuffle
>> the readings about in order to get a more god- like picture.
They always have. For many people the need for belief in the afterlife can
undermine their common sense, and scientists are not immune from this.
>> That is in my opinion the real danger. Those people get access to
>> information where you and I know nothing about. They got a headstart
>> from the beginning. In Nazi- times, the torturers went home at the end
>> of the day and played the piano beautifully like nothing happened.
>> The same thing can be applied here, but it is indeed more subtle...
>> In many ways, what people don 't understand or the things which can 't
>> be explained will be the work of god. That is a very old statement.
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