Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id QAA10075 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:44:59 GMT Message-ID: <000f01c1cb77$f78f6080$c8aaeb3e@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <email@example.com> Subject: Fw: More Fun And Games Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:46:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve Drew <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > > This seems to be a sneaky way to put god back into creation.
> > > In the Kansas saga they tried to get evolution describe as a theory
> > > required equal weight be given to the bible. If i am correct, the
> > who
> > > enacted this were thrown out once the parents found that their kids
> > biology,
> > > geology etc qualifications would be worthless if this BS continued.
> > >
> > > This is more subtle and deserve some attention. They do not deny
> > > geology for now, but have opted for the Intelligence By Design idea.
> > > the universe is too well integrated and complex to have come about,
> > > therefore it must have been designed. Though they say it doesn't have
> > be
> > > god as the designer, to my mind that is the eventual aim.
> > Hi Steve,
> > Yes I agree, we need to watch out for this and those !
> > Just yesterday I saw a TV- program eloborating such a view.
> > The people interviewed, ( it was a catholic network), don 't indeed deny
> > Darwin, how could they, but come up with the application that the uni-
> > verse and everything in it, can 't came about as it does now without a
> > ' design or designer ', what in their meaning can be god or something
> > called god.
> > The arguments they use are based onto the mathemetical order by which
> > the universe is constructed. Their main point is that the universe is so
> > precise in its mathemetical order, that the numbers used just end up to
> > sustain life. They argue that this can 't be just coincidence... god or
> > some-
> > thing ' created ' out of nothing matter ( via quantum- processes) in
> > way that it will automatically lead up to us....
> > The IMO, still, silly counter- argument of science is that our universe
> > is one of many, taking away the opposite its points by denying that god
> > or something created our universe and only ours, to support us.
> > Of course, the new counter- counter- attack of the followers of the
> > Design- concept argue now that science has no proove... what is right
> > in any way.
> > But I agree, we must watch out, but on the other hand, I don 't think
> > that those memes are released without knowing they were, though !
> > People, supporting the Design- concept, like those yesterday, are
> > working close, and are in many cases scientists, with NASA and other
> > space- related programs. They are sitting right on the blink of new
> > discoveries made, they see new phenomenons emerging right on their
> > screens and in front of their eyes, they talk about this with fellow
> > scientists but they say nothing about god or something. They are just
> > doing their daily job, but at the end of the day they twist and shuffle
> > the readings about in order to get a more god- like picture.
> > That is in my opinion the real danger. Those people get access to
> > information where you and I know nothing about. They got a headstart
> > from the beginning. In Nazi- times, the torturers went home at the end
> > of the day and played the piano beautifully like nothing happened.
> > The same thing can be applied here, but it is indeed more subtle...
> > In many ways, what people don 't understand or the things which can 't
> > be explained will be the work of god. That is a very old statement.
> > Regards,
> > Kenneth
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