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>From: "Philip Jonkers" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: Example of an aggresive irrational meme
>Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:20:24 -0900
> > > In biology mutation together with sex defines one vital component of
> > > selection: variation.
> > > The other two are: selection and retentive reproduction.
> > Fair enough. I just didn't think i needed to break it down that much to
> > the point. I know some people have tried, not too convincingly to my
> > to bring the sex angle into memetics, but i think it is best left with
> > biology. What would be an equivalant way for mutation to occur
> > if we removed the biological idea of sex?
>I do think that memetical evolution has a sexual component. In biological
>sex proved an excellent way to constitute high level of variation and to
>disseminate useful genes (acquired through mutation) through the
>The same thing
>also happens in culture. Allow me to explain. In biology, gene-hosts
>copulate to exchange
>and disseminate good genes (compare sexual reproduction with its slow
>asexual reproduction in which variation relies exclusively on the sporadic
>If you forget about the erotic connotations for a second, you may
>similar thing takes place in memetic evolution. In fact culture is one big
>orgie and new
>memes get born out of existing ones after a multitude of meme-hosts have
>their heads together.
>Consider for instance the marriage between mathematics and physics:
>physicists combined make a great pair. Why? Together they make the clock
>tick in science
>as mathematics is the language needed by physicists which in turn
>new research in math. The offspring of their wedding have always turned out
>vital for scientific research.
>You can even take it further and state that culture would not have reached
>it now has without memetic sex (the same goes for biology too).
>Culture as an evolving entity is a collective enterprise of a group of
>agents acting in unity.
>Meme hosts constantly have cultural sex in order to produce new ideas,
>solutions to problems, theories, and what not. After all what are meetings
>It's just another orgie of memes.
>Also memes have `sex' in your head too. There also memes interact with
>to produce new ones. This is what abstract or creative thinking is all
>There is where the parallel with biology ends of course.
I'm still having trouble seeing where the parallel begins ;-)
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