Re: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence: Israel andPalestine

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Date: Sat Mar 09 2002 - 21:08:29 GMT

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    From: Lawrence DeBivort <>

    > Greetings, Kenneth and all list members. I am back from my mini-sabbatical
    > and will try and catch up with your numerous emails. I'm glad to see that
    > the Rumsfeld thread has mutated to other subjects!

    > > The bias where upon the Jews and the Palestinians now have to live their
    > > lives are NOT, and I repeat NOT of their own choosing !
    > > The state of Israel was indicted in 1948 by others, not the Jews neither
    > > the Palestinians were involved in the proces.
    > If you mean that the seizure of parts of Palestine by the Zionist movement
    > and Jewish inhabitants of Palestine and their declaration of Statehood in
    > 1948 was 'not of their own choosing', I must disagree. Certainly it was
    > of Palestinian choosing, as their opposition was well demonstrated in the
    > strikes of the 1920s and 30s.
    > But that it was of Zionist choosing seems undeniable

    Hi Lawrence,

    Yes, I am aware of those facts as written as above.
    Like I said earlier, I understand perfectly the position of the Palestinians
    who are in a way, conquered by the Jews. And that the formation of a
    Jewish- state was of Zionist choosing is indeed undeniable, but and that
    was and still is my point, without the support of the nations/ groups you
    mention in your post, there was no Israeli- state !
    And thus, if we, the West, Europe and America had blocked their
    attempts we wouldn 't have this mess.

    But having said this, memetic locks must have been broken in that period
    of history, not now !
    We were, and still are emotional attached to the position of the Jews in
    his world. The multiple Zionist movements that ablied support for Je-
    wish settlement had to be stopped then, not now !
    Don 't misunderstand me, they got an even right to live in a land of their
    own, but " not- knowing " that there were people living in the territory
    of their choosing is hard to comprehend.
    What were the Brits doing over there !? Counting sheep !?

    IMO, there was no ' no- man's- land ' left... an empty land, indeed !
    Who believed this stuff, anyway !?
    There, IIRC, still a few blind spots left in the world ( deserts, the
    of Australia, America, Russia and Canada)... I wonder anyone could
    claim those as their own.... !?



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