RE: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence

From: Vincent Campbell (
Date: Fri Mar 08 2002 - 12:45:50 GMT

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            <I'm Sorry if my discussion with Vincent got a little out of hand.
    > statement above encapsulates the debate. Vincent appears to be saying that
    > it is human nature to be bloodthirsty and exploitative. Whereas I claim
    > that there are peoples who aren't. However when I have attempted to argue
    > this point with the examples from my experience it resulted in an exchange
    > which has departed from memetics.
    > Let's get back to discussing the memes.>
            Actually our exchange has been pretty tame for this list (although
    this isn't a flamer/troller environment either).

            I've addressed the bloodthirsty thing elsewhere today, but I just
    wanted to say that our discussion has been no more divergent from memetics
    than usual for the list, and I actually think it's very pertinent, as we're
    talking about questions of aspects of human behaviour and whether they are
    biological or cultural.

            The question of the innate nature, or otherwise, of conflict
    (particularly large scale conflict such as war) has come up before on the
    list, and probably will do so again.

            It seems to me to be as much a discussion about the boundaries of
    memetic influence as it is to do with perceptions about basic human nature.
    In other words, what aspects of human behaviour are products of natural
    selection, and continue to be governed by that, and what (if any) are "free"
    from biologically adaptive restrictions, and are open to cultural factors?

            I honestly don't know where I stand on that general point. I think
    I'm probably closer to the ep/sociobiology lot, especially on thngs like
    territoriality and conflict, but I'm not a fully paid up member of that
    group. Some on the list are though.


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