Re: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence

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Date: Mon Mar 04 2002 - 17:11:47 GMT

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    In a world full of
    > > > people who react rather than think, you can't expect much more than
    > as the way to solve the problem of hanging on to land they both feel
    > to them. They could choose to make rational decisions about what belongs
    > whom and stick with those decisions in the face of outside pressure. But
    > they don't. And IMO that is the root of their problem. It's not what
    > happens to you that counts -- it's what you choose to do about it. What
    > they are doing about it is guaranteed to perpetuate the slaughter of
    > innocents until their houses are all rubble and the people are too weary
    > decimated to fight anymore. Neither Europe and America nor the Islamic
    > states are making these decisions for them. IMO it's foolishness to think
    > they are. It's the memes they've adopted that guide their behavior.
    > that go back thousands of years and continue to perpetuate themselves.

    Hi Grant,

    In the heat of the moment, either I made myself not clear, or you did mis-
    understood me. I agree with what you have written, except the fact that
    the memes they cling onto are a thousand years old.
    IMO, the problem started in 1948 when Israel was founded, neither the
    Jews nor the Palestinians have something to say into the matter_ the memes
    they adopt now, moderate and live by were not existing before 1948 !
    OTOH, founding a Jewish state in the middle of Arab country, what were
    those guys thinking.....!?

    And from there on, the problems stay the same. Would the war end if
    Israel would give back the pieces of land !? I wonder !
    Memes on both side are in overdrive- mode, they will NOT stop to try
    to propagate themselves in the way they are doing now !
    But you are right, like Wade said, the memes can do no harm, people
    who are hosts to them are.
    Maybe, we the outside world, would give both sides a ferm warning, but
    I doubt that this would bring any good.
    The outside pressure, in casu the US in supporting Israel, is to great.
    IMO, the solution for the problem lies within both sides and in the US !
    In all three cases, their behaviour are acts according to their memes,
    since 1948 the war and the deaths are consequences of memetic
    features, and IMO, still and I repeat, NOT caused by the people of
    Israel or by the Palestinians, but by us, the " free world " of 1948 and



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