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>Subject: Re: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence
>Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:40:43 +0100
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>From: Grant Callaghan <email@example.com>
> > >I know that this post is a little aggressive, but have a good think
> > >the matters that I have raised. Try walking in non-USAnian shoes for a
> > >while, your perceptions may change.
> > >
> > The Jews and Palestinians live the way they do as a result of the means
> > used to solve their problems. Both sides think the end they are working
> > justifies the means they are using. The U.S. is resorting to the same
> > of behavior and is likely to reap similar results. In a world full of
> > people who react rather than think, you can't expect much more than
>I am sorry, but I can 't agree on this ! This is something completely out
>of context !
>The bias where upon the Jews and the Palestinians now have to live their
>lives are NOT, and I repeat NOT of their own choosing !
>The state of Israel was indicted in 1948 by others, not the Jews neither
>the Palestinians were involved in the proces.
>Saying otherwise is being not intellectual honest !
>OTOH, you were correct saying that the US is resorting the same kind
>of effects, and within the context of such a knowing how is it then
>that you write what you wrote !?
>You have giving here the ultimate proof that the US, and all others I
>suppose, is/ are stuck in the way of their thinking and handling.
>And knowing that, what is holding you back to change all that, or is
>that then a typical affect of the American way of life, keeping the pro-
>blems in space, so that you can ' act ' in an American way !?
>Is that the bias of that ' great ' nation !? Pathetic...
>No offence intented,
None taken, Kenneth. But are you saying the Jews and the Palestinians have
no control over what they are doing? That they have no choice? That they
could not use other means to solve their problems? If that's your stance, I
disagree completely. We are all responsible for our actions. No one is
making the Jews build on land they ceded to the Palestinians after the 6-day
war. No one is making the Palestinians wrap themselves in explosives and
throw away their lives in a futile gesture. No one is making either side
choose a life for a life, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth as their
These are choices the people and the governments of the people have chosen
as the way to solve the problem of hanging on to land they both feel belongs
to them. They could choose to make rational decisions about what belongs to
whom and stick with those decisions in the face of outside pressure. But
they don't. And IMO that is the root of their problem. It's not what
happens to you that counts -- it's what you choose to do about it. What
they are doing about it is guaranteed to perpetuate the slaughter of
innocents until their houses are all rubble and the people are too weary and
decimated to fight anymore. Neither Europe and America nor the Islamic
states are making these decisions for them. IMO it's foolishness to think
they are. It's the memes they've adopted that guide their behavior. Memes
that go back thousands of years and continue to perpetuate themselves.
No offence intended here, either.
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