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>Subject: Re: Rumsfeld Says He May Drop New Office of Influence
>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 00:06:49 +1100
>At 06:53 AM 28/02/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >>I know that this post is a little aggressive, but have a good think
> >>the matters that I have raised. Try walking in non-USAnian shoes for a
> >>while, your perceptions may change.
> >The Jews and Palestinians live the way they do as a result of the means
> >used to solve their problems. Both sides think the end they are working
> >justifies the means they are using. The U.S. is resorting to the same
> >of behavior and is likely to reap similar results. In a world full of
> >people who react rather than think, you can't expect much more than that.
>I am not sure of your point here Grant. I agree that the Israelis live in
>fear and spend massive amounts of their GDP on armaments because they chose
>to make their nation in Palestine by force of arms and the use terror. And
>that the Palestinians relied on the West to defend them against this
>aggression is probably the reason that they are a race of refugees. But are
>you saying that, as I do myself, that a war on terror by the use of terror
>is a self-perpetuating conflict? And why can we expect no more than that;
>are we all brain damaged?
The menas you use shape the ends you get. And it's not because of brain
damage -- in fact it's the very opposite. That is what our brains are wired
to do. To defend our territory. All wars are, in the end, battles for the
control of territory. Do you claim that what is going on in Palestine is
any different? No matter how noble the motives espoused, the battle is over
the land. Who will control it and who will keep it. That's human nature in
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