Re: mind

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    Hi Wade

    > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:46:37 -0500
    > From: "Wade T.Smith" <>
    > Subject: Re: mind
    > Hi Steve Drew -
    >>>> But from the point of
    >>>> view of the group nothing different has occurred.
    >>> Ah, but from the point of view of the group something _has_ occurred-
    >>> someone has joined them.

    True, but this may not impact on their behaviours and routines.

    >> I suppose, though i was really referring to their behaviours and the
    >> perspective of the group. As i noted earlier, the performers intentions are
    >> irrelevant to the observer.
    > But when the observer becomes a performer- one of the group, there is
    > quite a relevance. In fact, much of ritual and acceptance is all about
    > this. Initiations. Diplomas. Certificates. Licenses. Tattoos.
    > Foreskins....

    Indeed. I was, as you are aware, on about the performers themselves in that
    they did not input anything to the observer by necessarily conscious acts.

    > _All_ cultures don't really want anyone to be outside looking in.
    > (Multi-culturalism is a nice little fairy tale, though, ain't it?)

    Tell me about it, i live in the UK which still believes this BS.

    > Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

    Vogons and Borg. Nice combination. :-) (BTW, you never did come back with
    a guess at the quote "think of it as evolution in action". Quite relevant in
    this list)

    > If you stay too long in
    > one place, it is rare not to be. This was my 'inertia' statement. It's
    > just the way it is. One's religion is pretty much a foregone conclusion
    > unless there is some movement (either in distance or information) about
    > the choices. Thus, one picks fruit from a tree if that is all one ever
    > sees or knows, and starves when there is a grocery store.

    Isn't this the bit where human inventiveness and curiosity come in. I reckon
    a bushman has a better chance of finding food in my society than i would in

    Very few people go native IMHO, just varying degrees of acceptance of the
    new locales way of doing things.

    > Water, water, everywhere, and nary a drop to drink. Except from this cup
    > that's been there forever, filled by the village fathers.
    > Yes, we need more cups and less villages.
    > - - Wade

    The 'village fathers' is part of the process whereby we don't go 100%
    native. It is also one of the blocks of not being able to see another point
    of view, which can lead to conflict.



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