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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:46:37 -0500
> From: "Wade T.Smith" <email@example.com>
> Subject: Re: mind
> Hi Steve Drew -
>>>> But from the point of
>>>> view of the group nothing different has occurred.
>>> Ah, but from the point of view of the group something _has_ occurred-
>>> someone has joined them.
True, but this may not impact on their behaviours and routines.
>> I suppose, though i was really referring to their behaviours and the
>> perspective of the group. As i noted earlier, the performers intentions are
>> irrelevant to the observer.
> But when the observer becomes a performer- one of the group, there is
> quite a relevance. In fact, much of ritual and acceptance is all about
> this. Initiations. Diplomas. Certificates. Licenses. Tattoos.
Indeed. I was, as you are aware, on about the performers themselves in that
they did not input anything to the observer by necessarily conscious acts.
> _All_ cultures don't really want anyone to be outside looking in.
> (Multi-culturalism is a nice little fairy tale, though, ain't it?)
Tell me about it, i live in the UK which still believes this BS.
> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.
Vogons and Borg. Nice combination. :-) (BTW, you never did come back with
a guess at the quote "think of it as evolution in action". Quite relevant in
> If you stay too long in
> one place, it is rare not to be. This was my 'inertia' statement. It's
> just the way it is. One's religion is pretty much a foregone conclusion
> unless there is some movement (either in distance or information) about
> the choices. Thus, one picks fruit from a tree if that is all one ever
> sees or knows, and starves when there is a grocery store.
Isn't this the bit where human inventiveness and curiosity come in. I reckon
a bushman has a better chance of finding food in my society than i would in
Very few people go native IMHO, just varying degrees of acceptance of the
new locales way of doing things.
> Water, water, everywhere, and nary a drop to drink. Except from this cup
> that's been there forever, filled by the village fathers.
> Yes, we need more cups and less villages.
> - - Wade
The 'village fathers' is part of the process whereby we don't go 100%
native. It is also one of the blocks of not being able to see another point
of view, which can lead to conflict.
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