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>From: "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Re: ality
>Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:22:11 -0500
>On Sunday, February 17, 2002, at 04:25 , Dace wrote:
>>The concept of
>>memory implies that the past is in some way present.
>I'm still agape at what 'memory' means to you. Of course memories are
>present- they are neurochemical creations of the brain, part of the
>process that evolution selected for.
>At any rate, the concept of 'the past being present' (whatever that
>means) has nothing to do with it.
>(What, indeed, does the 'concept' of memory have to do with it, Tina
>You might have a photo of yourself at age 10. This photo is here in the
>present. It is not, however, the past, or a concept of the past, or some
>implication that you are presently ten years old. It is a remembrance,
>in chemical and paper, from the past, and if carefully maintained, may
>outlive you into the future. It is an artifact, just as the process of
>the brain that produces the remembrance of having that photo taken is.
>Webster's -- memory- noun- the store [artifacts] of things learned and
>retained from an organism's activity or experience as evidenced by
>modification of structure or behavior [memes] or by recall and
>recognition [brain processes].
It may be of importance to note that the title of one of Sheldrake's books
it _The Presence of the Past_, thus present and and past?
Anyway, in my most recent post I may very well have flubbed a distinction
between transgenic and knockout mice. Oh the irony. Memory *is* the first
thing to go. Brush up time I suppose.
And Keith was saying something about *Aplysia*? Sea hare or slug? Something
In short, researchers are studying the molecular bases of memory, whether
I've kept up with it or not :-(
I guess the goal posts could move or the gaps where the morphic wisps go
could get a little smaller incrementally...
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