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From: "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Re:
On Saturday, February 16, 2002, at 05:50 , Steve Drew wrote:
> As you may be aware i am not too keen on behaviour only, as i feel it
> reduces us to automata. Nothing wrong with a dose of skepticism though.
Actually, I really see no mechanism that reduces us to automata from the
After all, all I am saying is that _memes_ are behavior, not that all of
our behaviors are automatic or reducible.
And memes are behaviors that have a large and complex process (the
meme-factory) churning them out, and that factory is complex and
indeterminate- it is the brain/mind.
And it is a stance, a perspective, not a declaration.
- - Wade
Can't think why you thought that i thought you were adopting a declaration
instead of a position, as that would not be very skeptical. :-)
Memes as behaviour can be reduced to automatic responses as Susan Blackmore
tried to do. This is in part why i don't like this point of view and tend to
side with the ideas-objects-behaviours point.
eg. going back to our rock bashing days, one of our ancestors must have come
up with the idea of using a rock as a tool. There must have been a point
where there was some equivalent of *what if?*. Ok people copy this behaviour
and the meme bandwagon gets rolling. With language you get a second channel
of communication, as Blackmore puts it *copy the instruction*. hence you
have the idea of a behaviour, not an observation of a behaviour. So i equate
the idea of a behaviour as valid as that of the behaviour itself, the the
fidelity may not be as good.
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