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>From: Philip Jonkers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> I think an attitude of skepsis has an optimum in effectiveness regarding
>> survivability. To some extent being skeptical obviously is useful as it
>> allows for
>> implementation of a selective filter for memes. The `don't believe
>> everything you
>> breathe' meme. On the other hand being extremely skeptical ultimately
>> social exclusion as you don't believe anything or anybody. You will then
>> fail to function in any social environment which requires group conformity
>> and unison of thought and behavior.
>A. Appiah writes, " social repoduction [ that is leaning the traits, habits
>rules] brings out collective goals ". But IMO that doesn 't mean that the
>social reproduction is " collective " in nature like eveybody seems to
> It is individualistic and the result is some culture and that is what we
>but the underlieing bias is not Dawinian ' collective ' ( group related) !!
>Group conformity is just another meme, not a fact !
I question whether this is a meme or a genetic predisposition. Group
conformity might be strongly biologically driven: it seems to be part
of what drives our us/them recognition pattern.
I don't know that everyone thinks social reproduction is collective.
I have been playing around with the idea, but I don't know where
everyone else on the list stands on this point. I suspect that just
as organisms exist at a single-cell and multi-cell level; just as
there are emergent properties, there has to be a word that recognizes
processes that function across/at all levels of complexity.
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