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    > "Grant Callaghan" <> RE: ply to GrantDate: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:57:23 -0800
    >> There's a difference between viewing social change critically, which
    >>is an essential requirement to properly evaluate change, and viewing it
    >>negatively (or positively for that matter). Besides, as a lecturer in
    >>studies, for me to argue against social change involving technology would
    >>a bit rich. Indeed, as my anti-media effects stance should indicate, I'm
    >>particularly pro-technologies that, IMHO, are socially progressive and not
    >>harmful as many people have thought (and still think) about all media
    >>I, of couse, think the media collectively are a pretty good set of
    >> In many ways, I'd call myself a bit of a futurist looking forward to
    >>those changes, and this for me is the key, that are in the public interest.
    >>The facts though suggest that corporate control of key features of
    >>contemporary life, such as in transportation, involves the deliberate and
    >>continual denial of technologies (cleaner running cars for example) because
    >>such technologies would kill those corporations.
    >> In media too, the myth of the 'free marketplace of ideas' is widely
    >>demonstrable. Only today I've been reading bits of Richard McCord's 'The
    >>Chain Gang' about Gannett, the US's largest newspaper chain (over 90
    >>across the US, and which also owns Newsquest in the UK, which controls 300
    >>local papers), and how the company aggressively attempted, sometimes
    >>successfully, to put rival papers out of business leaving communities with
    >>'marketplace' of one paper.
    >> Of course capitalism is an ideology, and ideology is one for the
    >>memes in minds fraternity.
    >> Vincent
    >Memes are in competition with each other for survival. What makes them
    >survive is how useful they are to the people who use and propagate them.
    >They don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in the minds of people engageed in
    >living lives -- trying to survive in competition with each other. How
    >people spend their time is the key to how memes propagate and survive.
    >People who work and run companies are reading Sun Tze these days. He wrote
    >The Art of War.
    They also never stopped reading Machiavelli's THE PRINCE.
    > That is how most companies think of themselves (at least
    >the people who are leading them) at war with other companies in a zero-sum
    >game to win the whole market -- worldwide. This is what causes most of the
    >problems you talk about.
    >Governments are competing for control of the land and companies are
    >competing for market share. But it doesn't have to be a zero-sum game.
    >Culture is not zero-sum. Cyberspace knows no boundaries. There is room for
    >infinite growth there. Unfortunately, the land we live on is finite. If
    >the population keeps expanding, there is no other game in town but the
    >zero-sum. And right now, we're on the edge of being too many for the land
    >we live on to support us.
    >The question is who will live and who will die? Many people think the guy
    >with the most guns will win. Other people think it will be the people with
    >the best ideas. But as the population continues to grow, a lot of people
    >will have to die so the rest can survive. I don't see any way to save us
    >all. Two more doublings of the population will bring us all down. The
    >biosphere can barely tolerate the numbers it suffers under now.
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