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    >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:04:17 +0000
    > Re: Steve Drew <> <>Reply-To:
    >on 2/15/02 7:19 PM, memetics-digest at wrote:
    >> If this clash of cultures heats up much more you can kiss civil liberties
    >> goodbye everywhere. We're reaching a point where we either watch everybody
    >> or we let the wild and crazy people destroy us, one tower at a time.
    >Ithought we were nearly at the point where we can tag everyone. Hasn't
    >Eschelon been operating for a few years. Over here in the UK the cops are
    >experimenting with face recognition systems etc.
    >> To my
    >> mind this is just part of the legacy of genetic evolution. When the habitat
    >> gets too crowded (and that's a decision made by nature, not man) the animals
    >> start doing crazy and self-destructive things. They turn against each other
    >> and the four horsemen start stalking the land. You'd better get ready for
    >> interesting times.
    >I wasn't aware that we needed a special reason to act that way.
    >> It will be an interesting spectacle to see if memes can overcome genes in
    >> the battle to see which is going to rule the earth. The genes have emotions
    >> on their side and the memes have logic. Want to take any bets on which is
    >> going to win? I feel like walking around with a plackard saying: THE END OF
    >> SOMETHING IS NEAR! The trouble is, besides civil liberties, I'm not sure
    >> what is ending yet.
    >> If I sound like a nut case, just ignore me. I've been dwelling on the
    >> meme/gene wars for a long time now and I know how crazy it sounds to most
    >> other people. Since there's nothing I can do about it, I just sit back and
    >> watch the march of history prove me right or wrong. But I DO find it
    >> interesting. (Heh, heh, heh.)
    >the gene/meme conflict is at the heart of this list surely, and it is
    >interesting. There was a tv programme that i caught the trailer to the other
    >day which made the claim that Steve Jones thought that evolution has come to
    >an end. If the attributin is correct, i don't see how that can be. With
    >technology progressing as it is, we may be able to select genes. It will
    >move evolution into a different phase. It might also mean that genes become
    >even more meme driven
    Yep, genetic evolution may become as intention-influenced as memetic evolution, via engineering.
    >> Cheers,
    >> Grant
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