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> From: Ronan Dodds <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Just to get back onto memetics, a theme I've been developing recently is
> private property defends itself and extends its influence. Certain ideas
> (or memes) reinforce property rights, while private property (wealth)
> determines to a large extent which memes people are exposed to. I'd be
> interested in any comments on this idea (this is putting it very simply,
> i may start another thread on this idea, although I think Marx got there
> Hi Ronan,
> Sorry for the delay,
> I will answer with examples,
> Recently I heard a story ( US?) of a man being found NOT guilty of killing
> his neighbour, who in the first place complained about he dog of
> The neighbour went over the fence in order to inforce the status of the
> gument and was shot dead. The judge ruled that the man could protect his
> property. ( That would be the former in your request).
> Keeping that in mind, a judge in Belgium found the government equal
> guilty of killing a young girl being run over by a truck, because of the
> of the legislation concerning the use of the ' dead- corner - mirror '.
> ( That is a mirror that diminshes the corner wherein the driver can 't see
> what is just aside of his truck)
> The judge ruled that we the people must be protected from the incompe-
> tence of the authorities. ( That would be the latter)
> But it is my point of view that, once again, the discussion goes along the
> same line of thought like it always has been, individual against
> Moreover, such arguments has to be seen as part of the recognition- status
> of the individual ( as in the former) or as in a collective goal ( the
> Habermas writes, " The individualition of people, even as corporate
> is only due to the socialisation. This demands a correct theory of rights,
> whereby a politic of recognition, which does protects the integrity of the
> individual, is essential. Such a theory must also protect the contexts
> in the individual lives his life. "
> Between the identity of the individual and the collective identities
> gender, nationality, ...) lies an obvious connection: - our individual
> has two major dimenses.
> The individual identity has also a collective one, the point of
> of our collective identity and our individual one which does not exists
> out of the same elements as the former.
> The individual identity exists out of things which are socially/ ethical
> important but which are not part of the collective identities.
> What means, that I being white, male, hetero ( which are important to me)
> would have ( in a sense) problems being recognised as such ( as in rights)
> living in a lesbian, black matriachalic society.
> Such a difference is mostly made upon social arguments, namely how far
> the respect for the others their autonomy resticts our ethical sense.
> That is, in the end, the cultural environment fights for its survival,
> is what you should can call the protector, if discriminating white, male,
> hetero human beings is the way to do it, we will.
> ( And as in the examples I gave, the protection/ survival of the cultural
> environment is in both cases obvious.)
> And to get back to memes, we got it into our power to make our children
> in such a way that the survival of our culture is garanteed.
> There is, according to A. Appiah, no such thing like an individual core
> waiting to burst open. And in a sense, we could say that the ignorance
> of our children is just another way by which memes propagate_ we fill
> them up with our beliefs, traits and habits. In the otther way round we
> even wouldn 't have evolution.....
> Hope this helps,
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